Brexit court defeat for UK government

[Gavin A]

it's very rare that I do this, but here's Margaret Thatcher's take on the dangers of referendums, which we're now witnessing.

In March 1975 Margaret Thatcher also quoted Clement Attlee that referendums are “a device of dictators and demagogues” as Napoleon, Mussolini and Hitler had exploited their use in the past.

The idea that a referendum on a very broad question should then give the leader a mandate to basically do whatever they want within that broad mandate without any parliamentary scrutiny is taking us down the road that leads to fascism. Even Thatcher recognised this.

Also questioning the independence of the judiciary has similar negative historical precedents.

Clem Attlee had the same concern.

Clement Attlee refused citing ‘I could not consent to the introduction into our national life of a device so alien to all our traditions as the referendum which has only too often been the instrument of Nazism and Fascism.’

 

[The Ghost]

You talk of government as some sort of demi-god. The people in government are there through the electorate. The laws they make are on we the peoples behalf. Those laws do not abrogate our sovereignty, which In my opinion is the crucial matter at stake here in the matter of the people v. the elected. We have decided to leave Euwww. Parliament should now enact the will of the people. And btw "parliamentary democracy" is an oxymoron.

 

[Pat H]

We decided to leave based on promises that can't be delivered we now discover. So its appropriate that parliament clarify that position and ensure the will of the people is in the best interests of the country.

 

[The Ghost]

Because of course Parliament knows best? And the people are too stupid no doubt so have to be checked by their betters?

 

[Pat H]

Better hope parliament knows best. They make our laws ans set our taxes and a lot more. Why have them at all if they are worthless than the man on the street.

 

[westward10]

You talk of government as some sort of demi-god. The people in government are there through the electorate. The laws they make are on we the peoples behalf. Those laws do not abrogate our sovereignty, which In my opinion is the crucial matter at stake here in the matter of the people v. the elected. We have decided to leave Euwww. Parliament should now enact the will of the people. And btw "parliamentary democracy" is an oxymoron.

We now have a non elected Prime Minister.

 

[Pat H]

We now have a non elected Prime Minister.

That's democracy for you.

 

[Darkwood]

We decided to leave based on promises that can't be delivered we now discover. So its appropriate that parliament clarify that position and ensure the will of the people is in the best interests of the country.

You forget the remain had there own part in making false statements, scaremongering etc ...seems many remainers have short memories when they make this argument, take Obama's interjection saying we will be at the back of the queue... he had no right to say that and had no backing to it either as he was not going to be in the Whitehouse anyway so it was an empty threat... so far everyone of the IMF and the BofE doom bringing predictions has not come to fruition and further more the opposite has happened.. the only thing that changed was the pound and been a floating currency and the fact it was already too high, it was of no surprise it dipped sharply but even in its position it is now it has helped stem of an Economical down turn by boosting exports .. so when you say the country was misled and failed promises is quite hypocritical given the campaign by the remainers that even stole 10million of tax payers money to give a biased leaflet campaign.. this breached the rules of party funding for the campaign and cannot be challenged on a technicality, given the then PM is no longer is another reason it'd pointless to challenge it.

 

[Gavin A]

You talk of government as some sort of demi-god. The people in government are there through the electorate. The laws they make are on we the peoples behalf. Those laws do not abrogate our sovereignty, which In my opinion is the crucial matter at stake here in the matter of the people v. the elected. We have decided to leave Euwww. Parliament should now enact the will of the people. And btw "parliamentary democracy" is an oxymoron.

On what terms did the will of the people say we should leave the EU?

The government aren't really there because of the will of the people, they were elected by something like 24% of the potential electorate, in large part because they for £10 million more in donations than Labour, largely from the city, as well as having the support of the big media owners. And this government weren't elected by anyone, they have no mandate at all, but are using the Brexit vote as if it's the only mandate they need to negotiate whatever form of exit they can without the rest of parliament or the country having any further say in it.

 

[The Ghost]

Interesting points! 66% of the electorate turned out in the last elections. Cons 331 seats over half of 650 Lab 231 maybe a third. So not sure where you get 24% from. Accepted the curent gov is not elected. However a vote was taken on whether to leave EU, the majority said leave. As I see it the people have spoken it behoves the gov. to act accordingly which Theresa May, may. Good news I say.

 

[Gavin A]

so far everyone of the IMF and the BofE doom bringing predictions has not come to fruition and further more the opposite has happened..

The pound has fallen about 12% since brexit, and 25% since the start of the year against the Euro due to the uncertainty around Brexit before the vote.

Construction was down 1.4% in the quarter since Brexit, Manufacturing down 0.4% (it had grown at 2.1% the previous quarter so that's a fair sized impact).

That's a pretty significant impact considering we haven't left yet.

 

[Barry White]

The pound will always fall during uncertaincys, so has the dollar with the Trump election. Nobody has said leaving the EU will make a stronger pound. Until we leave and stabilise nothing is certain.
I dont blame Teresa May for keeping her cards close to her chest you dont reveal your plans to your opponents unless you have to

 

[Gavin A]

The pound will always fall during uncertaincys, so has the dollar with the Trump election. Nobody has said leaving the EU will make a stronger pound.

maybe not, but when the remain campaigners were pointing out what would inevitably happen in the event of a brexit vote they were met with accusations of this being part of project fear etc.

As you say, it was inevitable, and there was a case to have been made for a reduction in the pound's value to have been a long term benefit to the UK because of the increase in exports / improvement in the balance of trade deficit with Europe etc. But I didn't hear the leave campaign making that case, so it's just happened and nobody has a clue what the government strategy is for it in the medium to longer term so it's just causing the damaging impacts without the majority of the potential positive impacts that it could have.

 

[Spoon]

Why are people still whinging about the lies that both sides said.
BOTH SIDES LIED....... get over it...

 

[Gavin A]

Why are people still whinging about the lies that both sides said.
BOTH SIDES LIED....... get over it...

why are people still telling other people to get over it?

This is the biggest decision to happen to this country in decades, it's already having a massive impact on our business, and the decisions now being taken behind closed doors will go on having a huge impact on our lives for decades to come.

If this was such a good idea, and one that's not worthy of any further debate, why is there no plan after nearly 6 months?