Brexit. We’re out!

[buzzlightyear]

That's the point- none are based in Scotland . We will build our own using Scottish ship yards.

dream on ,that will cost when bankrupt ,if the wicked witch of the north have her own way , she will not have a army or a navy ,considering that thing wants to get rid of the sub bay in the forth .
and you have non oil any way . so patrolling the Scottish isle is going to be pretty hard .

 

[Baddegg]

@baldelectrician

Serious question: Why do Scottish nationalists swear by the UK leaving the EU will all end in tears yet Scotland leaving the Union will be all Violets & Roses.

I still think this question deserves a serious answer from you @baldelectrician, I only say you mate as you seem to be the only person on that side of a great debate/argument ?

 

[buzzlightyear]

Whats is with the scots thinking going it alone its behond me , you belong to england wearther you like it or not , now i can see some body spitting the dummys out write now , so suck it in and stop crieing.oh i forget did the English beat you once before in football.i can now hear a screaming cat , is that a man with it under is arm pit useing it for a bag pipe .lol.

 

[baldelectrician]

dream on ,that will cost when bankrupt ,if the wicked witch of the north have her own way , she will not have a army or a navy ,considering that thing wants to get rid of the sub bay in the forth .
and you have non oil any way . so patrolling the Scottish isle is going to be pretty hard .

The money thing I disagree with- if we are bleeding Westminster dry then why are they forcing us to stay, they will lose over 50 anti Tory MP's and the rest of the UK will have semi permanent conservative government.

See Jim Rogers on Sterling if Scotland does not use it

The sub bay is in the Clyde.
They do NOT want to get rid of it - only the nuclear subs.

Scotland has NO vessels of any type (apart from ferries and RNLI) based here, Scotland has over 70% of UK coastal area and will need vessels for the area
See map

The amount of jobs at Faslane will double or treble- not decrease upon independence

We will also have to expand the port at Rosyth as we will need a direct ferry to the EU to miss the Brexit chaos.

 

[buzzlightyear]

The amount of jobs at Faslane will double or treble- not decrease upon independence

where do you think them subs are made ,china ,barrow thats where they are made and what air force are scotland is going to have .
are you going to shoot the ruskies down with a bow and arrow .
you can join the EU army soon when you move away .cutting ties.

 

[Midwest]

They got our new sub hunter planes; we’ll want them back. Will all our Scottish chums living in England & Wales have to apply to indefinite leave to remain ?

 

[baldelectrician]

They got our new sub hunter planes; we’ll want them back. Will all our Scottish chums living in England & Wales have to apply to indefinite leave to remain ?

You can just feel the love, why would anyone want to leave such an open warm union of equals?

When (not if) Scotland leaves the UK the former UK (fUK) will survive very well and may thrive despite the dire warnings of those pesky professionals.

The longer we wait for a referendum the worse it gets for the UK, if Boris had a brain he would call the Scottish Government's bluff and have it very soon- before the Brexit chaos kicked in.
The demographic is changing younger people are very pro indy whilst older ones (above 75) are the opposite. The ones at that age are not here for the long term and every year about 40,000 people die in Scotland.
Most of these people are NO voters and the clock is ticking

As things stand now the indyref is 50% pro indy at WORST, a referendum campaign and the UK union media onslaught might drop that a little but the numbers of yessers in the yes movement will help.
Remember the opinion polls do not canvass 16-17 year olds who are very pro indy so that will add 1%-2% to the total (minimum)
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There will be a trade deal with the UK when Scotland leaves

I am certain of that as Scotland produces around double the electricity it uses, 5 times the oil and about 6 times the gas it uses.

If the UK decide 'no deal' the lights may go out down south, sense will probably prevail.

When UK politicians allude to a hard deal on Scottish independence they really have not looked in to the facts

Ireland have added 2 ferry routes from Cork to France and Spain to miss out the UK, the Scottish Government are looking at Rosyth for the same reason.

Rosyth sees ferry plans to EU ports gaining traction

THE company which wants to start a new freight and passenger ferry service between Rosyth and Eemshaven in The Netherlands is pressing ahead with…

www.thenational.scot

 

[DPG]

The problem you're going to have with your indy referendum is the same as we had with the EU referendum, which is that the vote will probably not be far off 50/50. Fundamentally that means no matter what the outcome, a hell of a lot of people won't be happy

 

[Midwest]

You can just feel the love, why would anyone want to leave such an open warm union of equals?

When (not if) Scotland leaves the UK the former UK (fUK) will survive very well and may thrive despite the dire warnings of those pesky professionals.

The longer we wait for a referendum the worse it gets for the UK, if Boris had a brain he would call the Scottish Government's bluff and have it very soon- before the Brexit chaos kicked in.
The demographic is changing younger people are very pro indy whilst older ones (above 75) are the opposite. The ones at that age are not here for the long term and every year about 40,000 people die in Scotland.
Most of these people are NO voters and the clock is ticking

As things stand now the indyref is 50% pro indy at WORST, a referendum campaign and the UK union media onslaught might drop that a little but the numbers of yessers in the yes movement will help.
Remember the opinion polls do not canvass 16-17 year olds who are very pro indy so that will add 1%-2% to the total (minimum)
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There will be a trade deal with the UK when Scotland leaves

I am certain of that as Scotland produces around double the electricity it uses, 5 times the oil and about 6 times the gas it uses.

If the UK decide 'no deal' the lights may go out down south, sense will probably prevail.

When UK politicians allude to a hard deal on Scottish independence they really have not looked in to the facts

Ireland have added 2 ferry routes from Cork to France and Spain to miss out the UK, the Scottish Government are looking at Rosyth for the same reason.

Rosyth sees ferry plans to EU ports gaining traction

THE company which wants to start a new freight and passenger ferry service between Rosyth and Eemshaven in The Netherlands is pressing ahead with…

www.thenational.scot

I love Scottish people’s, not just all of them. ?

 

[baldelectrician]

The problem you're going to have with your indy referendum is the same as we had with the EU referendum, which is that the vote will probably not be far off 50/50. Fundamentally that means no matter what the outcome, a hell of a lot of people won't be happy

I disagree- the amount of people who have went from No to Yes is quite a lot
People remember the 'vow' and the 'near federalism'

They remember the promise to build the frigates

Michael Fallon overrules Royal Navy head over Scotland’s shipyards

Defence secretary makes clear new frigate will be built on the Clyde after First Sea Lord suggests contract could go abroad

www.theguardian.com

Press and Journal (anti SNP paper)

17 'broken promises' of the Better Together campaign revealed on 'independence day'

The Scottish Government had earmarked March 24 as “independence day” if voters in the 2014 referendum had supported leaving the UK. To mark the date,

www.pressandjournal.co.uk

Nicola Sturgeon urges PM to honour pledge on Clyde shipbuilding jobs

Intervention comes amid fears of 800 redundancies if UK government shelves planned orders to Scottish shipyards

www.theguardian.com

 

[buzzlightyear]

Scottish Government are looking at Rosyth for the same reason.

yeah I can see that happening bobbing around in the water for a couple of days ,short distance hull for me .

 

[baldelectrician]

yeah I can see that happening bobbing around in the water for a couple of days ,short distance hull for me .

The point of the route is that it will be inside the EU so will have very few trade barriers, it also gives an alternative to ports inside the rest of the UK which could have barriers / delays, the UK needs to be inside the customs union to have tariff free access

It is a bit strange that after Brexit is finalised Turkey will have better access to the EU market than the UK

 

[DPG]

It's a shame we can't have a 2nd referendum just to get all this rubbish out of the way.

Edit: I mean Scottish independence referendum

 

[buzzlightyear]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...http:/ /navalshipbuilding.co.uk/supply-chain/

pull out from Scotland you haven't got a chance .
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It's a shame we can't have a 2nd referendum

not another JC ,had it got over it or would you have communist corbum for a pm ,the people made a mark on the ballet paper . we have left . this country needs to get a grip with this rebellion .

 

[DPG]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...http:/ /navalshipbuilding.co.uk/supply-chain/

pull out from Scotland you haven't got a chance .
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not another JC ,had it got over it or would you have communist corbum for a pm ,the people made a mark on the ballet paper . we have left . this country needs to get a grip with this rebellion .

Sorry buzz, wasn't very clear there, I meant a Scottish independence referendum. With a result that we stay as a union and we can get on with things again.