Britain Leave the European Union (Please be polite with other people's views)

[andyb]

All I ask is if anyone can tell me any documentary the BBC has done to promote the Brexit outcome and give a positive angle, I can name several that have shown the opposite...

I certainly can't name one that promotes brexit Darkwood so I guess you're right, but I'd like to watch the ones that show the negative side of brexit.
Can you post a couple of links so that I can watch them? I know that you can name several but I don't want too many just a couple so that I can get an idea of what they are saying.
The BBC are meant to be ballanced so I'm disapointed that they're putting out documentaries showing one side of the debate without ballance.
Look forward to watching them.
Thanks.

 

[Darkwood]

@Andy B, the evidence is sometimes blatant and most of the times it is indirect like showing influencing material that shows the EU in a good light while ignoring any negative stories, I am not on about clips, or programs that are specifically about Brexit just the general news coming across the channel.
I cannot name them off the top of my head and will have to look when I return but this isn't just about specifically 'stand alone documentaries'.
Here is a link and yes I know the paper is biased itself for Brexit but it's not the biased that matters here it is the figures they reveal and how the news has been covering Brexit, you can see what may seem to be a balanced discussion on the topic all of a sudden take a new angle when you time the air time and guests leanings.
BBC BIAS: Remainers DOMINATE BBC - 'Can't find a single show examining Brexit opportunity' - https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/940920/bbc-bias-brexit-remain-leave-brexit-guide-for-perplexed-radio-4-news-watch.

Its also the stories it picks to cover, when we heard about financial overspend by the Leave camp we had coverage for nearly a week and even got some lengthy discussions on a few panel shows then a month later it was found that Soros the financier of the EU pro move had been given millions to send pro EU messages out and also directly funded Gina Millers Pro EU movement, now that got a short news snippet and was buried by other bigger stories of the day, a tactic often used to detract from stories that you want to play down.

The problem with the BBC is it is its own watchdog and has no one to answer to so plays it depending on who is bunging the biggest incentive and like the link before, do you really think the BBC can be impartial with a quarter of a billion at risk?

 

[plugsandsparks]

You just need to go back to Dimbleby's face when he had to announce the result of the referendum. It was a picture, i remember it well. The look of gloom when he announced it was shocking. Instead he should have proudly announced that the results are in and yes we have voted to leave the EU.

 

[andyb]

@Andy B, the evidence is sometimes blatant and most of the times it is indirect like showing influencing material that shows the EU in a good light while ignoring any negative stories, I am not on about clips, or programs that are specifically about Brexit just the general news coming across the channel.
I cannot name them off the top of my head and will have to look when I return but this isn't just about specifically 'stand alone documentaries'.
Here is a link and yes I know the paper is biased itself for Brexit but it's not the biased that matters here it is the figures they reveal and how the news has been covering Brexit, you can see what may seem to be a balanced discussion on the topic all of a sudden take a new angle when you time the air time and guests leanings.

Well you did say documentaries DW, never mind we'll let that go.
It's a bit weak quoting the Express to underpin your argument as I'm sure you know. I'm sure you can find biased in every program if you looked, did you know that in the last 5 years there has been 35 MEPs on Question Time? Not one pro EU, 33 Ukip and two Tory (both times Dan Hannan anti EU) No Labour, Green or Lib Dems. Bias? I couldn't say.

 

[andyb]

Its also the stories it picks to cover, when we heard about financial overspend by the Leave camp we had coverage for nearly a week and even got some lengthy discussions on a few panel shows then a month later it was found that Soros the financier of the EU pro move had been given millions to send pro EU messages out and also directly funded Gina Millers Pro EU movement, now that got a short news snippet and was buried by other bigger stories of the day, a

Well the thing is the remain made some errors when submitting their spending returns and were fined £18000, this was well reported by all media including the BBC.
On the other hand the vote leave campaign were deemed to have broken the law and were fined £64000, and refered to the police for further investigation. A bit diferent but just a well reported.

 

[FatAlan]

 

[andyb]

You just need to go back to Dimbleby's face when he had to announce the result of the referendum. It was a picture, i remember it well. The look of gloom when he announced it was shocking. Instead he should have proudly announced that the results are in and yes we have voted to leave the EU.

He announced the result at 4:40 in the morning, I'm supprised you were up at that time. To me he's just reporting the official result in a neutral manner but if you want to see something that's not there that's your perogative and I'll leave you to it.
The result had been known for a few hours.

 

[andyb]

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Don't look very happy do they.

 

[Midwest]

Don’t see the point of another vote. Most people always vote with their hearts not their heads. So what, if we vote to remain. It’ll only come up again. We need to leave. That’s the only way to find out, if it was the right decision or not.
If it wasn’t, we could always ask nicely to rejoin.

 

[Darkwood]

Well the thing is the remain made some errors when submitting their spending returns and were fined £18000, this was well reported by all media including the BBC.
On the other hand the vote leave campaign were deemed to have broken the law and were fined £64000, and refered to the police for further investigation. A bit diferent but just a well reported.

Let's all forget the 10million of tax payers money spent on a biased leaflet campaign days before the official financially restricted campaigns started, had it been purely informative the I could justify my money going towards it but the cost alone outstrips the limit on campaign spending and it was clearly pro EU bias, but who do you complain to and who do you take action against - there is no one hence they got away with it, a few hundred grand here and there seems insignificant in comparison.

 

[andyb]

Let's all forget the 10million of tax payers money spent on a biased leaflet campaign days before the official financially restricted campaigns started, had it been purely informative the I could justify my money going towards it but the cost alone outstrips the limit on campaign spending and it was clearly pro EU bias, but who do you complain to and who do you take action against - there is no one hence they got away with it, a few hundred grand here and there seems insignificant in comparison.

But we were debating the reporting of the electoral commission on the leave and remain campaigns, you've moved on.
Whilst I agree with you on this and put my copy straight in the bin, it's not unusual for goverments to lay out their position in print, it's what they thought was best for the country and had a duty to say so.
No law was broken as far as I'm aware so nothng to report really. Though peoples opinion on the mater were reported at the time.

 

[Midwest]

Its the duty of any government to say what they feel is in the best interests of its country.

Someone else said that Cameron should of just given us the facts and let us decided. Tosh. Thats why we have the political system we have in the UK. If you disagree with them, you vote someone else in.

 

[Darkwood]

It was not based on facts though, it was Cameron's dying attempt to dig himself out of a massive hole that even I agree he shouldn't have done for the reasons he did, it was not the governments position either, it was his, the ensuing Brexit is evident that the party was divided so it was not representative of the governments true position thus should not has been bias, it was an information leaflet and it was full of misinformation.
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PS - I believe it is worth bringing up because it was weighted to the Pro EU remain campaign thus 10 million of tax payers money was not used correctly. I ask you just to put the shoe on the other foot and see how you would have reacted had it been heavily biased in favour of Brexit even though it was supposed to be an information leaflet not a biased one at that, it should have shown the pro's and con's of both sides and all it did was show the supposed pro's of remaining and the supposed con's of leaving - if you read it again it is scaremongering, yes it get's some obvious points across which no one would argue with but there is no promotion within it about the benefits of leaving or the con's of remaining. This thus is not an informative leaflet campaign it is a preemptive strike and boost for the remain campaign.

 

[Midwest]

It was not based on facts though, it was Cameron's dying attempt to dig himself out of a massive hole then even I agree he should have done for the reasons he did, it was not the governments position either, it was his, the ensuing Brexit is evident that the party was divided so it was not representative of the governments true position thus should not has been bias, it was an information leaflet and it was full of misinformation.

Wrong dw. Cameron was the leader of the party & the PM at the time. He was the Boss at the time. Thats why he fell on his sword & left.

 

[Kamikaze]

For all those politically aroused, here is an illustration in crayons what Brexit is all about.