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Very interesting, you may wish to sign, it's a start at least?
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Campaign for licensing!
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Engineer54
To be honest, i'm slightly worried why many of you are afraid of being a licensed electrician. Whatever system it is brought in as, it has GOT to be better than you have now. You part P electricians are all being ripped off, yet you think that's alright!!!!
Almost every day here and on other Forums you see you guy's complaining of other part P guy's doing crap work, but you all know there is nothing you can do about it. Don't you think it's about time that you can do something about it?? After all, you are paying 450/500 quid for the privilege of doing part P work to the provider companies, ....Are you not interested in protecting your industry and investments????
Almost every day here and on other Forums you see you guy's complaining of other part P guy's doing crap work, but you all know there is nothing you can do about it. Don't you think it's about time that you can do something about it?? After all, you are paying 450/500 quid for the privilege of doing part P work to the provider companies, ....Are you not interested in protecting your industry and investments????
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Benny_Boy
I think you've missed the point a bit Tony.
Sure holding the card means you've proved you have the capability to carry out the job properly.
It does not mean that every OP with a card is conscientious enough to insure they do the job properly every time.
This whole thread has become rather confused tbh.
What do you actually want?
The job always done properly? or the job only ever done by a JIB electrician?
The first does not necessarily preclude the latter,
nor does the latter guarantee the former.
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Engineer54
''Sure holding the card means you've proved you have the capability to carry out the job properly.
It does not mean that every OP with a card is conscientious enough to insure they do the job properly every time.''
I sure do hope so, That's what your being paid for by your client, ..Right??
As i said, what can you do in the present climate to stop a so-called provider credited electrician from doing sub standard, dangerous, non complying part P work?? Nothing!!! there far too interested in his fee's to them!!!
It does not mean that every OP with a card is conscientious enough to insure they do the job properly every time.''
I sure do hope so, That's what your being paid for by your client, ..Right??
As i said, what can you do in the present climate to stop a so-called provider credited electrician from doing sub standard, dangerous, non complying part P work?? Nothing!!! there far too interested in his fee's to them!!!
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rocker
As you well know, especially due to benny calling you 'tony', that reply was aimed at a completely different post - benny was referring to tonys' idea that all JIB certified guys are infallible angels. Your post is irrelevant, seizing an obvious mistake to shoe-horn your opinion in.
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rocker
No. Once again, you are missing the point or just omitting what you want to continue the argument. We aren't saying that part p isn't a rip off at all. That doesn't come into it. We are saying that
A) what you are proposing will be just as much of a rip off, if not more, and
B) if part p (and JIB) did what they are supposed to bloody do, this argument would not exist because everything would be hunky dory.
SO instead or ripping the carpet from beneath the industry AGAIN, why not just get the vaious organisations to do what they are supposed to?
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rocker
Exactly. There's been a hell of a lot of 'gold card holders' on here lately swinging their undoubtably large wangs about, and for what?
Apprenticeship? Most of us have done it
NVQ? Most of have done it
Experience? Most of us have a fair bit of it, we could all do with a bit more
Gold card? I don't have one, but I know a lot of fellas on here do. For some reason, though, most of them don't feel the need to bring it up every twenty five seconds.
As far I can see it's a natural progression if you've been in the game for a few years and work in commercial/industrial or aren't self employed. It's nothing special.
<sorry for going off topic>
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Engineer54
Seems everything is irrelevant to you, if it happens not to conform to your way of thinking. He was quoting my post, or did you miss that little point???
And i'm not missing the point at all.... You seem to be under the impression that these present providers and/or the JIB could undertake the the job that a licensing system would. Don't you get it, ....if they wanted to, they would have done that yonks ago... There not interested, it takes money out of the coffers for them.. They are all profit based it ISN'T viable for them to do so.... Jeezus ...this is like pulling teeth!!!!
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rocker
Pulling teeth? I feel like a damn orthodontist.
He OBVIOUSLY pressed 'reply with quote' to your message but intended to reply to tonys. Hence him talking about the card tony was on about, and CALLING YOU TONY. Is your name tony? He probably read all the posts to get all the information, and was a little slapdash in checking which post he was replying to. Big deal. I'm certain you have the intelligence to see his mistake, so why reply in the manner you did?
Whether they are interested or not is irrelevant. WE are the people who pay for the privelige and if we demand that they sort it out, they will have to. But nobody demands they sort it out, they just moan and mither, then someone with more than a passing interest chirps up 'this is the answer to your prayers, a licence! Just like they have in brilliant bloody Australia.' And everyone, like mugs, falls for it.
WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK PART P SCHEMES ISSUE YOU WITH, IF NOT A LICENCE?
You will NEVER get an organisation like this together on a non-profit basis, other than with serious governmeant backing, which will mean serious government intrusion, which will inevitably mean sticking it right between the cheeks.
He OBVIOUSLY pressed 'reply with quote' to your message but intended to reply to tonys. Hence him talking about the card tony was on about, and CALLING YOU TONY. Is your name tony? He probably read all the posts to get all the information, and was a little slapdash in checking which post he was replying to. Big deal. I'm certain you have the intelligence to see his mistake, so why reply in the manner you did?
Whether they are interested or not is irrelevant. WE are the people who pay for the privelige and if we demand that they sort it out, they will have to. But nobody demands they sort it out, they just moan and mither, then someone with more than a passing interest chirps up 'this is the answer to your prayers, a licence! Just like they have in brilliant bloody Australia.' And everyone, like mugs, falls for it.
WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK PART P SCHEMES ISSUE YOU WITH, IF NOT A LICENCE?
You will NEVER get an organisation like this together on a non-profit basis, other than with serious governmeant backing, which will mean serious government intrusion, which will inevitably mean sticking it right between the cheeks.
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Engineer54
''Whether they are interested or not is irrelevant. WE are the people who pay for the privelige and if we demand that they sort it out, they will have to. But nobody demands they sort it out, they just moan and mither, then someone with more than a passing interest chirps up 'this is the answer to your prayers, a licence! Just like they have in brilliant bloody Australia.' And everyone, like mugs, falls for it.''
Then thats your own damn fault isn't it, your paying for something that your not getting, (and never will get either!!) But your trumping up dissent when anyone suggests a way that you will get it!!!
Your licence that you carry around now is basically worthless, it means nothing and has not teeth to back it up, which is what most here it seems wants. They want to be able to protect there investment in becoming an electrician, ....So what do you want??
I doubt there are many mugs here, and this has nothing to do with Aussie or anywhere else, they were only used as examples, and the better one's would be from the US and Canada.
Then thats your own damn fault isn't it, your paying for something that your not getting, (and never will get either!!) But your trumping up dissent when anyone suggests a way that you will get it!!!
Your licence that you carry around now is basically worthless, it means nothing and has not teeth to back it up, which is what most here it seems wants. They want to be able to protect there investment in becoming an electrician, ....So what do you want??
I doubt there are many mugs here, and this has nothing to do with Aussie or anywhere else, they were only used as examples, and the better one's would be from the US and Canada.
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Phil
not an implication that it was. just a reply to pushrod 
thats why we live in a democracy so we can argue and call it a debate
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Knobhead
The sooner part P is kicked out the better. I’m sorry for you lads that have paid up for it.
As a retired industrial electrician I’ve never seen the sense in it!
The plumbers from hell don’t have to follow such regulations.
I don’t enjoy sitting in a trench up to my a*se in water jointing cables that some tw*t plumber dug though.
As a retired industrial electrician I’ve never seen the sense in it!
The plumbers from hell don’t have to follow such regulations.
I don’t enjoy sitting in a trench up to my a*se in water jointing cables that some tw*t plumber dug though.
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pushrod
and when loads of us join in we can call it a mass... no we won't go there.
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