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Very interesting, you may wish to sign, it's a start at least?
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Campaign for licensing!
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millwall ken
The thing is mate, I'm sick of being self-employed. And to be honest, the missus would rather that I stay in my current job earning 25k a year than go back to cis, even if I was earning 50k. Also I'd rather have a bit of job security behind me mate. I've done enough cis, working 70 hours a week, away from home for most of the week, or even weeks at a time, never seeing the kids, and constantly worrying if I would have a job in a fortnights time. Cowardly of me, I know, but at least you have some protection on paye.
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Engineer54
Well it's been working in the States and Canada for donkey's years now, also several other countries. I know that it is very strictly adhered to in South Korea. ...it seems to work well for them. So explain how a National registration/licensing system would promote unsafe practices?? Surely any that were found guilty of this, would be brought to account in the courts and/or be struck off the register....
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Has it?
Are you stating catagorically that in the States and in Canada only licenced electricians are allowed to conduct electrical work?
That homeowners and such are prohibited from doing their own electrical work?
As for South Korea, I should imagine, that there are many things that are and are not allowed. However I have no experience of the country, and am not aware that stastistical records are kept of injuries and fatalities caused by electricity.
The unsafe practices were those carried out by householders who cannot afford to employ licenced electricians.
As such there is no register for them to be struck off from.
The practices ranged from using cable intended for motor vehicles, using discarded second hand accessories and using extension leads and plug adapters thereby overloading socket-outlets amongst others.
We now have a situation for instance in England Wales and NI, where a householder cannot legally run SWA from his house to his shed or garage without either notifying the LABC or employing a Part P registered electrician. However he can legally run an extension lead clipped to his fence, fed through a hole in his wall and plugged into a socket-outlet somewhere in his house. That socket-outlet may or may not have RCD protection.
Are you stating catagorically that in the States and in Canada only licenced electricians are allowed to conduct electrical work?
That homeowners and such are prohibited from doing their own electrical work?
As for South Korea, I should imagine, that there are many things that are and are not allowed. However I have no experience of the country, and am not aware that stastistical records are kept of injuries and fatalities caused by electricity.
The unsafe practices were those carried out by householders who cannot afford to employ licenced electricians.
As such there is no register for them to be struck off from.
The practices ranged from using cable intended for motor vehicles, using discarded second hand accessories and using extension leads and plug adapters thereby overloading socket-outlets amongst others.
We now have a situation for instance in England Wales and NI, where a householder cannot legally run SWA from his house to his shed or garage without either notifying the LABC or employing a Part P registered electrician. However he can legally run an extension lead clipped to his fence, fed through a hole in his wall and plugged into a socket-outlet somewhere in his house. That socket-outlet may or may not have RCD protection.
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thekingiam
no you can be self employed or work for free under 16 hours a week, basicly as long as you can get evidence , so start looking for old photos of your work, i am about to register with vq training as i these are the cheapest online i have found.
however because of a mix up with city and guilds having not been issued with 2360-2, if i get any problems will pay a deposit to delta training until 2360 fiasco sorted out .
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Engineer54
Spin,
Your never ever going to stop homeowners from doing there own DIY in there own homes, not even in the UK with it's present legislation. Happens in every country, that's no reason to say a National Registration system shouldn't be established and maintained. You can't legislate against fools harming themselves, we'll end up a Nanny State like Singapore!! lol!!! In fact the US and Canada also have a similar practise of notification, but it is nowhere near as daft as those in the UK.
There will always be homeowners will undertake all sorts of work on a DIY basis, ....Plumbing, Building and i dare say Gas as well as electrical...
A National Registration scheme has got to be better than the present scam provider system where your paying through the nose for every little thing. At least a fully qualified and experienced electrician, won't have to join one of these scams, to undertake domestic installations, or face paying an absolute crazy fee, for a young pimple faced council numpty to come and check your work....
All electricians will carry an identity card that i would imagine be graded as to there proven competence.
At least when a Registered Electrician undertakes dangerous installations and jobs, he can and hopefully will be held responsible for his actions, ....Unlike with these private provider companies, that are far more interested in losing an annual fee, and all the other fees they are presently taking from the working electrician ...than taking any action against a rouge electrician's
What i can say with complete confidence is that the States and Canada (and many others) aren't thinking of scraping there Registration systems...
Totally agree, 100% policing is impossible but is no reason not to explore other avenues of registration.
There are enough national license schemes to form a decent study, allowing us to take the best bits and adapt the weaker bits into a system that works for us.
We will never stop Mr DIY or a rogue trader but we can make life a lot harder for them and in return, more profitable for us and safer for Joe Public!
PS. Mr DIY and Joe Public are fictional characters solely for the purpose of this post
There are enough national license schemes to form a decent study, allowing us to take the best bits and adapt the weaker bits into a system that works for us.
We will never stop Mr DIY or a rogue trader but we can make life a lot harder for them and in return, more profitable for us and safer for Joe Public!
PS. Mr DIY and Joe Public are fictional characters solely for the purpose of this post
The Building Regulations in the north of Ireland are different to the Building Regulations in England and Wales, and as such Part P does not exist. (It may well exist, but it has nothing to do with regulation of electrical installation.) The industry is completely unregulated, although there is a campaign for this to change.
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rocker
That famous way with words again.
A LICENSING SCHEME, IN THIS COUNTRY, WILL JUST END UP AS ANOTHER WAY TO LINE THE GOVERNMENT'S COFFERS WITH NO BENEFIT TO US.
Why not concentrate on making the current system actually work the way it's supposed to? I.e. part P being upheld and policed properly? The heavy commercial and industrial sector have even less requirement for a 'licence', as it's fairly difficult for 'cowboys' and untrained people to carve a career in these areas.
You can't take a dig at improvers/mates. How many firms are gonna pay let's say two approved electricians to put up trunking/tray work or make an armoured off? Yes they shouldn't be used as an alternative as a cheap electrician but they are there to assist with electrical installation. I know some mates/improvers who have been in the trade 25 year and haven't got any quals and there better than some electricians out there.
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thekingiam
The problem will just increase as you will have to register and pay yet another company, i will sign up if it can give money back to me from some of these other money spinning bodies maybe through the courts or something.
unless companies stop using agencys and jib grading systems as a means of employing staff and instead have interveiws to asess competancy as in any other job then nothing is going to change.
The reasons why we have so many governing bodies in the electrical trade is because too many companies realised the potential cash that would be generated by introducing schemes like part p and they wanted to get their noses in the troff.
anyone can say join my scheme i promise to help but they can only help if they get rid of the others.
unless companies stop using agencys and jib grading systems as a means of employing staff and instead have interveiws to asess competancy as in any other job then nothing is going to change.
The reasons why we have so many governing bodies in the electrical trade is because too many companies realised the potential cash that would be generated by introducing schemes like part p and they wanted to get their noses in the troff.
anyone can say join my scheme i promise to help but they can only help if they get rid of the others.
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Engineer54
Another of my points, .....Getting rid of all these private profit based parasites, that live of the back of the working electricians!!! There will be No Need for part P providers, you'll be a Registered Electrician with a certified nationally issued License to prove it.
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