Can Plug Sockets for Dishwasher and Washing Machine be Placed in Under-sink Cupboard?

[DPG]

Good point Murdoch! Daz

 

[Novice12]

In which case the electrics are NOT complete and therefore I would question the fact the builder says he has the "certificate(s)"

Ah, he did say that because the wire has been left in a loop he was able to get certificate for it and had it been cut he wouldn't.

I suppose that whoever I get to install the kitchen will have to cut the loop, attach it to plug socket and mount in the cupboard. Would it then just be a case of the Electrician who does this self-certifying that all is OK with his work and because the work done previously to this has certificate all is OK?

 

[DPG]

The circuit needs testing and certifying after ALL work on it is complete. Daz

 

[Novice12]

The circuit needs testing and certifying after ALL work on it is complete. Daz

I think his thinking is that as is a loop it could technically be left like that and so even though need aforementioned plug socket/s added, I suppose at later date now, it is complete in a way and so certificate has been done. Does this make sense/is a technical way of getting round this?

 

[Midwest]

I think his thinking is that as is a loop it could technically be left like that and so even though need aforementioned plug socket/s added, I suppose at later date now, it is complete in a way and so certificate has been done. Does this make sense/is a technical way of getting round this?

He could, but then the new electrician would need to complete a minor works cert to add the new socket.

PS but a lot of electricians would just put in the new socket on that loop, probably with no cert

 

[Octopus]

I think his thinking is that as is a loop it could technically be left like that and so even though need aforementioned plug socket/s added, I suppose at later date now, it is complete in a way and so certificate has been done. Does this make sense/is a technical way of getting round this?

I am losing the plot on this, are you the spark?

No decent spark signs of an incomplete installation and gives the cert to the builder....... I doubt there is a competent spark involved

 

[Midwest]

Now now, Murdoch

 

[Novice12]

I am losing the plot on this, are you the spark?

No decent spark signs of an incomplete installation and gives the cert to the builder....... I doubt there is a competent spark involved

Yeah I am a bit worried this might be what is happening because of 2 other things:
1. In the kitchen there is a normal light bulb placed in the ceiling (no cord hanging down - straight into the bayonet/fixing) but I think the builder said previously that can't have those sort of light bulbs in kitchen any more but nonetheless it is there and he says has cert.
2. He told me that a wire for a socket will be re-routed and placed directly into the fuse-board/box yet he said this would be done at same time he said already has the certificate for the whole job.

 

[richy3333]

It is my preferred option to kit plug sockets in cupboards as I am of the opinion that it is more pleasing on the eye than having switches or fused connections above the worktop or behind the appliances where room may be tight, specially in smaller kitchens. I always discuss the option of putting switches above the worktop with the client though and let them make the choice.

Is above counter isolation not an English building reg requirement? It is in Scotland. Socket outlets in cupboards are in my humble opinion shiiiite. Might well comply but smacks of kev the kitchen fitter doing the wiring. Just my opinion though.

 

[Midwest]

Is above counter isolation not an English building reg requirement? It is in Scotland. Socket outlets in cupboards are in my humble opinion shiiiite. Might well comply but smacks of kev the kitchen fitter doing the wiring. Just my opinion though.

In a new build or major refurbishment, perhaps yes to comply with Part M Building Regs 'to assist people who have reduce reach'. But it only specifies min & max height of switches etc. Designers of new builds often use the central set of DP switches. What do the Building regs in Scotland state?

As regards socket outlets in cupboards, how else do you supply an appliances?

 

[HandySparks]

Is above counter isolation not an English building reg requirement? It is in Scotland. Socket outlets in cupboards are in my humble opinion shiiiite. Might well comply but smacks of kev the kitchen fitter doing the wiring. Just my opinion though.

Maybe, but there's a lot to be said for them:
There's only one fuse per appliance.
If sensibly positioned, then isolation by switching off or unplugging is easy.
It's usually more obvious which appliance is being served than some arrangements of SFCUs I have seen.
Easy access for fixed wiring test and inspection. (No hidden accessories.)
Easy to access the plug for ISITEE.

 

[rolyberkin]

Is above counter isolation not an English building reg requirement? It is in Scotland. Socket outlets in cupboards are in my humble opinion shiiiite. Might well comply but smacks of kev the kitchen fitter doing the wiring. Just my opinion though.

So with a built in appliance where do you plug it in????

 

[Pat H]

I'd agree in cupboard sockets for appliances is neater than above counter isolators. I don't like a kitchen littered with sockets and switches for appliances all round the edge. Neater out of the way and still possible to mount above 450mm to be complaint.

 

[Midwest]

still possible to mount above 450mm to be complaint.

Not if you have a disability which reduces your reach, think that's why we see those centrally located DP switches on new builds.

 

[Pat H]

Not if you have a disability which reduces your reach, think that's why we see those centrally located DP switches on new builds.

Isn't a switch inside a low cupboard at 450mm high easier to reach than an isolator above the work top? With its 600mm depth to reach over?