Carbon monoxide detectors

[Carlosfandango]

What's the regs on carbon monoxide detection in a commercial premises? Would it need tied into a fire system or would aico hardwired versions do? If it's the latter I will do it, if it's the other then it'll be getting batted over to the fire alarm engineer.

 

[Carlosfandango]

Anybody know anything about this? Or know where I could find out? Fire installer says it's a requirement but not sure about in a commercial setting?

 

[trev]

The only thing I've been able to find is that in Scotland, if there's a combustion appliance in a room then a CO detector should also be fitted. I think that only relates to domestic though.
Have you tried ringing your local building control people?

 

[Carlosfandango]

I'll give that a try tomorrow, didn't even think about that. Cheers.

 

[tazz]

It actual only applies to solid fuel dwellings....but the idea of safety over gas appliences does make sense. Commercial there is no requirement unless used as dwelling, ie hotel, nursing home, hostel etc. Under no circumstances should a co alarm be linked into a fire alarm system.
see approved document J for full info

 

[Carlosfandango]

There's a flat above the restaurant, would that make a difference? In the restaurant area there's a solid fuel fire and a gas boiler.

 

[tazz]

They are two separate premises, with the flat being a dwelling, it would make sense to install a co alarm in there.....Has BC not put an assessment in yet..?

 

[Carlosfandango]

The customer is dealing with the BC. As far as I'm aware BC are messing them around a bit and not doing things very quickly. The push us on as the customer leaves the country in 10 days and they want everything sorted, including installing a 12 inch fan installed with no info!!

 

[UNG]

It actual only applies to solid fuel dwellings....but the idea of safety over gas appliences does make sense. Commercial there is no requirement unless used as dwelling, ie hotel, nursing home, hostel etc. Under no circumstances should a co alarm be linked into a fire alarm system.
see approved document J for full info

Had to fit CO detectors in my brothers HMO properties in Scotland earlier this year as they were changing the requirements for the HMO licence renewal these properties are all gas with no solid fuel appliances

Tazz in which part of approved document J does it preclude connecting CO detection to a fire alarm had a quick look at document J online but the bit on CO detection I found didn't mention not connecting to fire alarms

 

[tazz]

Had to fit CO detectors in my brothers HMO properties in Scotland earlier this year as they were changing the requirements for the HMO licence renewal these properties are all gas with no solid fuel appliances

Tazz in which part of approved document J does it preclude connecting CO detection to a fire alarm had a quick look at document J online but the bit on CO detection I found didn't mention not connecting to fire alarms

Will have to look in which BS this is stated, but rule of thumb is co & fire must be separated so as to identify the alarm. This is usually done on the fire panel and co is zoned as such, which covers most HMO`s, flats, nursing homes, hotels etc...basically where anyone resides. With domestic mains smokes they again can be linked, but the co and smokes detectors must be identifiable. This is usually by a location switch, which only sounds an activated detector.

 

[UNG]

Will have to look in which BS this is stated, but rule of thumb is co & fire must be separated so as to identify the alarm. This is usually done on the fire panel and co is zoned as such, which covers most HMO`s, flats, nursing homes, hotels etc...basically where anyone resides. With domestic mains smokes they again can be linked, but the co and smokes detectors must be identifiable. This is usually by a location switch, which only sounds an activated detector.

That's how I understood it to be, thought something had changed that I had missed

Surprise's me how many wholesalers don't stock the location switches but stock the CO detectors alongside the fire detectors

 

[tazz]

Like anything these days, its all down to cost....in domestic its really down to the owner to decide. unless its a new build or extension, were BC are involved. But as yet, co are only compulsory in Scotland

 

[polo1]

Just to add, carbon monoxide detectors are also required in rooms through which the appliance flue passes. Regards.

 

[tazz]

Just to add, carbon monoxide detectors are also required in rooms through which the appliance flue passes. Regards.

At this moment in England...only if the appliance is solid fuel, not gas....but I think common sense comes in here

 

[polo1]

Sorry, should have been clearer... my comment relates to Scottyland!