Carrying out Periodics

[claret73]

To carry out Periodic inspections, apart from the knowledge required to ensure you do not miss any dangers, can these only be carried out with a 2391 qualification?

This is the info I was given by lecturer whom has sat 2391 recently.

I'm going to follow up my L3 with 2392 as am not doing any commercial work, so require more testing experience.
Thanks

 

[bugsy]

Theoretically anyone can carryout a Periodic Inspection and issue a report, however the accuracy will depend on the computance of the inspector

 

[eddielarge]

Yes to carry out periodic testing you need to be a competent person , hence having the 2391 make u a competent person, so not anyone can do periodic testing.
plus public liability insurance dose not cover periodic testing you need public indemnity.

 

[bugsy]

Yes to carry out periodic testing you need to be a competent person , hence having the 2391 make u a competent person, so not anyone can do periodic testing.
plus public liability insurance dose not cover periodic testing you need public indemnity.

Professional imdemnity insurance is not required to carry out PIR's This ins cover provides for contactors carrying design and consultancy work. Your standard P'L is fine

 

[andekoch]

correct me if I'm wrong but you do need professional indemnity because:

Public liability will certainly cover any damage you do whil eon the premisis doing the inspection

BUT

Professional indemnity will cover you for any comebacks on the report, eg if someone is electrocuted and your report said all was safe and sound you need the PI insurance to cover you since your public liability will not in this case. ie pI cover you for 'errors' due to your prefessional opinion.

 

[bugsy]

Your last phrase in a nut shell YOUR PROFFESSIONAL OPINION.

The report is just that a report,which 9times out of ten is restricted by limitations, if indemnity ins was required professional membership bodies would stipulate it as a requirement they dont

 

[D80]

Your last phrase in a nut shell YOUR PROFFESSIONAL OPINION.

The report is just that a report,which 9times out of ten is restricted by limitations, if indemnity ins was required professional membership bodies would stipulate it as a requirement they dont

NAPIT do...PI insurance required if doing PIR's

 

[bugsy]

NAPIT do...PI insurance required if doing PIR's

Public liability and professioal indemnity?

 

[andekoch]

Your last phrase in a nut shell YOUR PROFFESSIONAL OPINION.

The report is just that a report,which 9times out of ten is restricted by limitations, if indemnity ins was required professional membership bodies would stipulate it as a requirement they dont

quite correct PI is to cover claims against your opinion (which a report is). If you dont feel the need for it then so be it. Also if you are a LTD company then you already have some protection anyway.

Personally I dont have PI insurance but am thinking of taking it out since everyone seems to be more and more keen to sue for no reason at all these days.

 

[D80]

Public liability and professioal indemnity?

Yeah...need Public Liability to join them and 250k of professional indemnity to do PIR's

 

[bugsy]

Yeah...need Public Liability to join them and 250k of professional indemnity to do PIR's

I shall be on the phone to NIC-EIC tomorrow and check our ins.

 

[eddielarge]

BUGSY maybe you should check your facts pal.. and yes tony cable at the nic stated it on more than 3 seminars that i have been to, and Lambeth council that i am currently carring out 4 months of pir's have stated all companies carring out this work should have it ,

 

[bugsy]

BUGSY maybe you should check your facts pal.. and yes tony cable at the nic stated it on more than 3 seminars that i have been to, and Lambeth council that i am currently carring out 4 months of pir's have stated all companies carring out this work should have it ,

See foregoing post

 

[Tester Steve]

Profesional Indemnity Insurance (PI) is required for those who give advice, designs or drawings, calculations etc. For example, a solicitor may advise you that something is legal, you go out and do it and get nicked. While you have no defence in law by saying your brief said it was ok, you can sue the pants off him, so he needs PI.

An architect designs a building and it falls down because his loading calcs where wrong. He gets sued on his PI.

A structural engineer says that a damaged building is calculated will not fall down, but a day later, down it comes. He gets sued, claims on his PI.

You do a PIR on a factory. You are reporting on the CONDITION of the electrical installation, at the time of the inspection and testing. In your OPINION, the condition of the electrical installation is either satisfactory or unsatisfactory.

BTW, do you need PI if you are an MOT tester?? I don't think so! Only doing the same as you are with a PIR, giving his OPINION on the condition of the motor at the time of the MOT. It is either satisfactory on unsatisfactory, pass or fail.

Steve.

Me? Never had PI and never will, rather spend the premium in the pub!

 

[bugsy]

Profesional Indemnity Insurance (PI) is required for those who give advice, designs or drawings, calculations etc. For example, a solicitor may advise you that something is legal, you go out and do it and get nicked. While you have no defence in law by saying your brief said it was ok, you can sue the pants off him, so he needs PI.

An architect designs a building and it falls down because his loading calcs where wrong. He gets sued on his PI.

A structural engineer says that a damaged building is calculated will not fall down, but a day later, down it comes. He gets sued, claims on his PI.

You do a PIR on a factory. You are reporting on the CONDITION of the electrical installation, at the time of the inspection and testing. In your OPINION, the condition of the electrical installation is either satisfactory or unsatisfactory.

BTW, do you need PI if you are an MOT tester?? I don't think so! Only doing the same as you are with a PIR, giving his OPINION on the condition of the motor at the time of the MOT. It is either satisfactory on unsatisfactory, pass or fail.

Steve.

Me? Never had PI and never will, rather spend the premium in the pub!

Well that is my take on things , but Im being told im wrong ,