Certification

[Imperia]

Hello all,

Just wondering what your thoughts are on the following questions. I am new to the forum and thought you could shed some light on my issues.

OK... My company have been asked to provide a installation certificate for the completion of a few flats. We did not do the work another spark did (if you could call him a spark).

We have carried out tests and treated it as test and inspect. We then provided the customer with a testing cert not a installation cert as we did not do the works.

He has said the building inspector can not sign off the work until a new installation cert has been provided by the company who carried out the work.

I use tysoft for certs and have done for 5 years or so but I can not remember the domestic cert to have a design, installation and testing sheet on it....

What are your thoughts on this? Should we provide a installation cert or just a testing cert? Just to let you know we had to make some changes to some circuits as they did not comply to regs ect and had some faults but that has all been sorted now.

Many thanks

 

[yellowvanman]

You can't produce an EIC as you didn't do the work.

If you talked to Building Control first and explained the situation they may have accepted this. Why couldn't the installation company provide a cert?

I've done this before when the previous company left the job after 1st fix when the builder got thrown off the job, explained to building control that I would provide an EICR and it would be up to them to sign off. They accepted this.

 

[davesparks]

You can't produce an EIC as you didn't do the work.

Yes you can, this is why the EIC has seperate sections for the designer, installer and tester. So that different companies can do each part and sign for it seperately

 

[DuaneMHunt1976]

Wouldn't the multi sign EIC need to havery the installer as qualified electrician.
Other wise wouldn't that drop in to the third party part

 

[Imperia]

Yes I know there is separate parts but that's on a commercial cert not domestic. I'm sure this happens all the time in the industry

 

[Risteard]

Yes I know there is separate parts but that's on a commercial cert not domestic.

It's on any Electrical Installation Certificate. Where is the distinction?

 

[DuaneMHunt1976]

Looking on the wiring regs, that domestic/industry stair it being all wiring
The EIC is just the multi sign form, in.GN3 there is two EIC the.other being the one man band version were designer installer and tester are the Same guy.

 

[HappyHippyDad]

Yes you can, this is why the EIC has seperate sections for the designer, installer and tester. So that different companies can do each part and sign for it seperately

But the original installer and designer would still have to sign the EIC. The OP could only sign the 'tester' part, so i'm assuming the EIC (Form 2) couldn't be issued until all parts were signed.

Yes I know there is separate parts but that's on a commercial cert not domestic. I'm sure this happens all the time in the industry

The 2 different EICR's can both be used for domestic although I expect Form 1 is used far more commonly than Form 2.

I'm sure you could make a nice bit of money from just testing and then issuing a new EIC, and if you that is your main priority 'to make money' then I guess the decision has been made. If your priority is 'safety' then you wouldn't issue an EIC as you are signing to say 'absolutely everything' about the install has been designed, installed and tested to BS7671 which you wouldn't know as you didn't design and install.

I don't know what the 'industry norm' is in this situation and I dont think that really matters (I'd like to believe that most would refuse to issue the EIC), its about what you feel is right.

 

[joehat]

I always issue a mwc if all is in place and all i need to do is connect the sockets lights , test continuity and IR and do final connection.
And then test Zs.

As this is all you can do if you haven't designed and installed it, so at leasts it shows the tests are good.

if they need it to prove more then i would do an EICR.

 

[joehat]

And then I'm covering my back and only putting my name to what I've actually done.

 

[Plonker 3]

I always issue a mwc if all is in place and all i need to do is connect the sockets lights , test continuity and IR and do final connection.
And then test Zs.

As this is all you can do if you haven't designed and installed it, so at leasts it shows the tests are good.

if they need it to prove more then i would do an EICR.

And then I'm covering my back and only putting my name to what I've actually done.

BS 7671requires a EIC for all new circuits

 

[DuaneMHunt1976]

BS 7671requires a EIC for all new circuits

Part P 2013
3.6 Within 5 days of completing the work, the installer must notify the registered third-party certified who, subject to the resuslts of the inspection and testing being satisfactory, should then complete an electrical installation condition report and give it to the person ordering the work.

NOTE: The Electrical Installation Condition Report should be the model BS7671 form or one developed specifically for Part P purpose.

 

[Plonker 3]

Part P 2013
3.6 Within 5 days of completing the work, the installer must notify the registered third-party certified who, subject to the resuslts of the inspection and testing being satisfactory, should then complete an electrical installation condition report and give it to the person ordering the work.

NOTE: The Electrical Installation Condition Report should be the model BS7671 form or one developed specifically for Part P purpose.

So Part P now supercedes BS7671 does it?

 

[DuaneMHunt1976]

Both Regulations .. ONE BY the GOVERMENT the People WHO RULE this country
and one by the IET

This is TALKING about THIRD PARTY, as this is NOT HIS CIRCUIT
So he can NOT do a EIC


as a Mentor i would expect pointing out Facts were things are.

 

[Plonker 3]

Both Regulations .. ONE BY the GOVERMENT the People WHO RULE this country
and one by the IET

This is TALKING about THIRD PARTY, as this is NOT HIS CIRCUIT
So he can NOT do a EIC


as a Mentor i would expect pointing out Facts were things are.

Read sections 1.1 and 1.2 of the approved part P document.