Cheeky git!

[D Skelton]

So we're running into the evening yesterday trying to get a job finished. It's 7pm and there's about 30-40mins left, then pack up. My apprentice starts whinging that he's not being paid till 8pm and that he wants to go. I say to him to just muck in with the rest of us and we'll be done soon. He carries on whining about me being unfair, so I say to him "look fella, it's not like I dock your wages when we finish early is it?! You don't seem to complain about being paid for going home early, so suck it up!". He then throws a little bit of a man wobbly saying that he isn't working because he wants to be and that he's doing me a favour by working for me, then leaves the site. I run out after him as he's getting into the van and whip the keys out the barrel.

First time I've ever had to fire someone on the spot!

The bare face cheek of it! Go out of your way to help someone and get that in return.

Balls to him, the lazy little f***er had no initative anyway.

 

[Silly Sausage]

And don't forget the Working Time Regs, can't force people to work over 40 (?) hours without prior agreement!

 

[Gavin A]

After having a chat with our apprentice, I really don't think the colleges help with this.

I had a letter from them complaining about him messing about and answering them back, but it turned out that the lecturer hadn't marked their coursework, so was spending the entire day marking their coursework and had just told them to work on the computers all day while waiting until he'd finished the marking.

Hadn't even given them any coursework to do on the computers, the lazy -----.

I was not impressed to find this out, given that I'm paying his wages while he's at college, and we were pretty busy that day and could have done with him on site.

Sounds like they're breeding the 'waiting around to be told what to do' / clock watching thing into them rather than training them on professional practice, work ethic etc.

Luckily my apprentice is pretty good, but then he's 21 and had 4 years on site experience before joining us, and it was his request to do it as an apprentice.

 

[Baker1988]

So we're running into the evening yesterday trying to get a job finished. It's 7pm and there's about 30-40mins left, then pack up. My apprentice starts whinging that he's not being paid till 8pm and that he wants to go. I say to him to just muck in with the rest of us and we'll be done soon. He carries on whining about me being unfair, so I say to him "look fella, it's not like I dock your wages when we finish early is it?! You don't seem to complain about being paid for going home early, so suck it up!". He then throws a little bit of a man wobbly saying that he isn't working because he wants to be and that he's doing me a favour by working for me, then leaves the site. I run out after him as he's getting into the van and whip the keys out the barrel.

First time I've ever had to fire someone on the spot!

The bare face cheek of it! Go out of your way to help someone and get that in return.

Balls to him, the lazy little f***er had no initative anyway.

I will work for you if you have a spot open haha.

 

[edexlab]

Trev I really wouldn't wish it on the training NCO's lol but sometimes you just look at people and think desperate measures are needed!
A lot of people blame the youth but really it is a product of our society.
I remember seeing a letter in the local rag saying all the same things about the youth of today being spoilt and lazy , indulged by their parents and some of these people will end up running the countries industry and politics etc ,

I'm reading it thinking this bloke has hit the nail on the head. ...

At the bottom the author said this letter was written in Roman times
(I forget who and when exactly) @50 years before the empire collapsed! Makes you think really!
but with the same attitudes prevailing who knows lol

 

[driverman]

Reading most of above threads and agree with most comments.........however was it planned overtime or did the job just over run? Possibly the lad was on a promise! or had something arranged. if so he could of handled it a lot better by explaining. anyhow as it's now Monday, any update?

 

[Besoeker]

How many of today's parents have "Life Skills" themselves????

In my view, the rot set in at the end of the 1960's and now we're reaping the reward.

I think you make a good point.I wouldn't cast everyone in the same mould but, in my lifetime, I've seen a significant change in attitudes towards the benefits system, or systems.

When I was growing up it was seen as a stigma to be on the "buroo" as it was called in my neck of the woods. Unemployment benefit.

It was seen as a safety net. Now we that we've have had a couple of generations of people who have been on benefits it seems to me to be taken as a god given right with people getting stroppy if any benefit is cut or even if there is any threat of that happening.

I quite understand that people will be on state supported benefits. It's bound to happen with two million unemployed and half a million vacancies. And the burgeoning elderly population as life expectancy increases.

At least part of the problem is the complexity of the benefits system. I didn't realise just how complicated until my niece returned to UK with her daughter, then about five.. Initially she had no job and nowhere to stay. The where to stay I took care of initially.

Then she got council housing - not Buckingham Palace to be sure and not in the very best neighbourhood but she also got a grant to redecorate it. Then we looked at what benefits she could claim. We listed about 30 - some means tested and some not. Some national and some local council. And they don't, or didn't, talk to each other. That was an eye opener for me.

It wasn't too long before my niece found work. Part time but work. Perhaps there's a lesson there too.
After a little while, she was offered more work. And more pay. She was still on some benefits. They would have been cut by the extra she would earn and she would have incurred additional child care costs. Out of pocket for working harder??

Madness. We should be encouraging people to work.

As I said, I don't cast everyone in the same mould.
But a system that doesn't encourage work and a benefit system encourages non-work cannot be right.

The cheeky git out to be grateful that he has work instead of biting the hand that feeds him.
But that seems to be the attitude that our system engenders.

 

[VintageGt]

Sythia started a similar thread yesterday about his apprentice, it would seem it is just the way of the world at the moment.
Damian Have you ever considered a mature apprentice, I know it can be awkward financially due to them having more outgoings mortgage etc, but I bet you would get a lot more Bang for your Buck.
I guarantee some one in their mid 30's - 40 would have so much more to offer and would have better work ethics as well.
Just food for thought for you!!

I was in the pub game and needed out, desperately! Got my opportunity at 29 years old. Went back to 6 quid an hour and kids of 21 bossing me about. I did all the loft work, chasing etc and I got my head down and cracked on. 3 years of night school plus full time work, late nights, weekends etc and 10 years on I'm flying. Best move I ever made.
Point being...try mature apprentices, as GMES says. You are more likely to have someone who wishes to succeed.

 

[VoltzElectrical]

When I finished my A levels I went to work as a general labourer for a medium sized construction firm, initially on a large nursing home build, then latterly on pub refurbs, nursing home extensions etc..

I was offered a pay rise within two weeks of starting when the gaffer saw how hard I mucked in. I laboured for brickies and plasterers and everything in-between. I took night school classes in maths GCSE as I failed it 3 times in school and we would do my homework in tea-break along with the name game in the SUN newspaper!

When my gaffer hit hard times in-between payments, I went over a month without pay to help out, placing my trust in someone who had been very good to me for over a year. I was pulled aside one day by him and given a huge wad of overdue wages. I said "thanks very much' but was headed off with even MORE thanks by him for my patience and understanding.

It's an unusual tale, I know, and not one that would pay off with many builders. I continued to work for him every summer holiday whilst I was at university.

I'm not sure what the moral of the story here is, it's just my personal testimony of trust placed and trust honoured.

I guess I posted this a lesson to the employee that 'swings and roundabouts' are not just for kids.

In my experience, one reaps what one sows. Live and learn.

x

 

[Silly Sausage]

In my experience, one reaps what one sows. Live and learn.

x

A bit like, you earn your luck!