Cheif Examiners Report, 2391-10, October 2010.

[Guest123]

Seems it's getting harder........

 

[john25]

The 2356 is gonna be my stumbling block because im not in the industry ATM or have the funds to pay for it. and with March being the last registration date it's very unlikely that im going to gain the NVQ3 but hopefully by the end of June I will have completed the 2330/17th Edition/2392 and 2391 qualifications So hopefully I can get somewere with those qualifications.

 

[sbrown2]

john25, you can start up on your own with those qualifications.

I would like to add that I have the 2391-01 is the qualification still valid?

 

[john25]

tbh im not looking to start up on my own I just want to gain enough experience with my Qualifications to become a Competent electrician and then go work abroad..

@ the OP you spelt Chief wrong lol

 

[malcolmsanford]

JIB are on their way out and clinging on by the skin of their teeth. I think they are a throwback to the 80's if you ask me, back to when we had an electricity board.
The thing with the NVQ is that as an employer I always look at it as "Not Very Qualified" and unfortunately that acronym has stuck over the years. Also the NVQ does not take into account specialist trades and employers know this. Whist the 2356 is 50% health and safety you can do this on a one day course these days.

Back to a 4 year apprenticeship and and time served would be great but highly unrealistic, I did a 4 year apprenticeship and cant get JIB as it's not a recognised apprenticeship in their eyes, incestuous bull poop IMO. Most reasonable employers like myself will look at your work history, but again 2391 is helpful.

In fact the JIB as caretakers of the ECS card are perhaps in the strongest position they have been in for many a year.

A lot of animosity over the JIB is the fact that unlike the Part P schemes, the JIB still insist in a certain standard and training before they will grade you, and some believe that the grade they offer is beneath them.

I can only say that i've dealt with the JIB now for many years and have been a member for over 30 and I'm glad that they make grading tough and insist that an "Electrician" is in fact a fully qualified one and long may they continue.

 

[swparksey]

If you honestly believe that somebody who has completed a NVQ 3 is fully qualified then god help us

I agree with the principle of the JIB but as I stated earlier they are an incestuous institution, their ideas and standard are out dated and do not take into account the many electrical disciplines that exist today.

The point being somebody with a BTEC Electrical Engineering, 19 years experience, 4 year modern apprenticeship, C&G 2382 2391, 2392 cannot get a electricians grade is bull and you know it. So if he wants a card then he has to complete a log book !

I think they have their heads up their own behinds, give it 10 years and there will not be a JIB, mark my words, they are a throwback to the 80's clinging onto power by the skin of their teeth, it's only a matter of time before a more modern dynamic institution comes along and replaces them, which will probably be some European wide grading, that is recognised throughout all member states.

 

[malcolmsanford]

Not sure where you are coming from. In the 80's there were probably about 5 grades in the JIB and now there are 0ver 40 different gradings from installation electricians through to fire alarms, maintenance, data comms etc etc, in fact I would go the opposite I think there are too many grades.

Though you seem to be well qualified you lack the one thing that an installation electrician is needing (I assume you are trying to get this grade) and that is a level 3 qualification in electrcial installation. The ECA and the IET have now recognised that there is a lack of this type of qualification around and you will be able to do a City & Guilds course to gain this.

I have worked with the JIB for over 30 years as I have stated, and funnily enough I have never had any problems with them. I think that your frustrated in the fact that your qualifications you have can not give you the grade you want, I do sympathise with that but their grading policy is clear.

You may very well be right that in the future they will be abolished or taken over by another authoritive body, but for now they are that body and you need to dance to their tune if you want their grading.

 

[sbrown2]

I tend to agree Malcolm. It would be interesting to hear what vocational training schemes/ apprenticeships that the JIB are ignoring and not giving people grades for. I only have experience of the JIB for 1 year but it takes an amount of effort to get your gradings and you have to get the grading applicable to your qualifications/vocational qualifications.
I spoke to the JIB the other day and they are currently at the early stage of creating a domestic electrician grade which requires a grade 3 qualification. So if people are moaning now, god help us when this comes in!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[tonys]

i think they have their heads up their own behinds, give it 10 years and there will not be a jib, mark my words

ELECTROTECHNICAL CERTIFICATION SCHEME

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JIB - ECA - SELECT - SCOTISH JIB - UNITE

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Ain't going no where, without a card, people won't be getting on the majority of sites.

Won't affect small fry work, but sadly that is already saturated by people of limited skills.

The requirements of these cards are starting to effect now, being asked for more and more.

I find for the cost of £35.00 for the ECS exam every 3 years and £15.00 to renew my JIB ticket every 3 years is extremely good value, and would be surprised if anyone turned their nosed up at the cost and inconvenience it causes.

More and more little one man band companies what used to have their unqualified mates working with them are losing their small contracts and those people are the ones who appear to be in no mans land looking for work, without much success.

When work was plentyful, the unqualified would get away posing as Electricians, sadly that game is over.

At present I would be knackered without my ticket, its got me some temporary work at £14.50 an hour with an agency.






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[irishsailor]

When you sit the 2391 like I did on friday morning, I felt pretty confident when I finished, however when I read the examiners report I started having doubts. AARRGGHH

 

[Lucas123]

if you done a 4 year modern apprenticeship you should have no problem getting a JIB card

 

[sbrown2]

Lucas123 why can you not get a JIB card? I think many would be ready to give advice to help.

 

[Lucas123]

sbrown2

i have a jib card

the thread divulged into about the nvq 3 and being qualified and what not so my post maybe out of context later down the line

i done a completed apprenticeship where you do nvq level 3 alonside 2330 levels 2 and 3 day release

find out my 2391 written result tomorrow then go for approved grading if ive passed just got installation electrician at present

cheers

 

[tonys]

Lucas

The Installation Electrician words stay put and they add JIB Grade: APPROVED ELECTRICIAN in capitals as well

Hope you pass.

 

[sbrown2]

I was only trying to be helpful Lucas. You, as I, are the lucky ones who have the grading and can get on site. Hope you pass your 2391 and all the best.

 

[Lucas123]

Thanks mate
making the dreaded call in an hour or so

Yeah must say rather have one than not just gives you a better scope when looking for work as you probably know more and more are asking for a JIB card now