Church Installation PVC? SWA? MICC? Mixed answers.

[Kings]

Hi there i have a job to rewire part of a church and the original is wired in pvc just wanted to no what the trend is? thanks kinger.

 

[telectrix]

Because if it is an old church with stone walls bare pyro will blend in with the wall once it looses its shineyness.

and be a bonus for the pikeys, a few kgs of copper to go with the lead off the roof

 

[ezzzekiel]

sign of the times, why waste additional time and costs when there are cheaper quicker alternatives.

 

[Engineer54]

Most of the older traditional churches insist on MICC/Pyro, and for very good reason. If installed correctly it is almost indestructible, and last longer than any other wiring method!!!

I'm with Sintra on this one 100%, and luckily most of the projects i do, those systems he mentioned ARE still specified. Especially fire alarm systems and Boiler House installations. There is nothing difficult in wiring in MICC, or making off the potted glands. It's more a case these days, that it just isn't taught anymore in the collages and training centres.

Yes it is more expensive to install than PVC, but the advantages are by far more than worth it, in both finished result, and it's unprecedented longevity as an installation....

 

[bugsy]

sign of the times, why waste additional time and costs when there are cheaper quicker alternatives.

Lets hope nearly everybody has your opinion, then the likes of Sintra and myself can pick up all the work in petrol stations. power stations, and all other hazadous areas - thinking about it though im going to recommend anybody traing at the moment skips the bit on pyro, - it's not worth lads,

 

[Sintra]

I dont think there is a bit on pyro anymore.


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[somersetsparks]

Haha, i'm with sintra and bugsy, you boys stick with your pvc, i'd like more pyro to do, and well i'm at it more conduit, everything seems to be strut, tray, rack and armoured these days! or even worse non-continuous basket with nasty twin strung about everywere, tied to anything nearby!

 

[bugsy]

I dont think there is a bit on pyro anymore.


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Six week trainig courses, no pyro, lax policing of * electricians, what's becoming of what was once not just a trade but craft

 

[somersetsparks]

Apparently no pyro or conduit on AM2 now, according to some of our lads that did it recently!
I think this is narrow minded thinking really, everyone should have a good range of basic skills, even if they only do conduit at college. Mind you when I did mine a couple Years ago I had a quiet chuckle at some peoples conduit skills! (think 4 couplers in 5ft)

 

[Superspark23]

Im still to do my AM2 and they have changed the content in the past year, apparently they see the fabrication of conduit, pyro, tray ect.. level 2, because the AM2 is classed as Level 3 you dont need to do level 2 stuff. Im sure on site ill have to use conduit from time to time.

AM2 Topics include:
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Isolation procedures – equipment, sequences, verification of single and three phase voltage.
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Termination – steel wire armoured, point to point installation of wiring systems, SY and FP200
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Protective conductors – main and supplementary bonding requirements
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Lighting circuits – Two way and intermediate
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Power circuits – single phase, final ring and radial and three phase and neutral
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Inspection – good workmanship and visual inspection to BS7671 requirements.
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Testing – test instruments, sequence, methods, verification of readings, continuity and insulation resistance, Zs, RCD etc.
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Fault diagnosis – common circuit, and fault location techniques.
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S Plan heating system

But comming back to Pyro, i did a little bit at college and once i found the knack to it i really enjoyed doing the stuff, and would love to work with it one day. Hopefully theres an electrician in norfolk that might let me go out on site with him so i can do some. Ive seen some installations that i just step back and admire. A real artform that will be lost soon

 

[Engineer54]

'' Im sure on site ill have to use conduit from time to time''

SuperSpark,

I'm pretty sure you'll be using Conduit ''Most'' of the time on any half decent project site!!!

 

[keith915]

I still use the good old fashioned T bar stripper and never have a problem.

I started off using the 'big screwdriver method'

 

[bugsy]

we used to have competions joy stipper vs, side cutters

 

[malcolmsanford]

Apparently no pyro or conduit on AM2 now, according to some of our lads that did it recently!
I think this is narrow minded thinking really, everyone should have a good range of basic skills, even if they only do conduit at college. Mind you when I did mine a couple Years ago I had a quiet chuckle at some peoples conduit skills! (think 4 couplers in 5ft)

Let's line up the domestic installers now, what a sad indictment on our industry that is.

we used to have competions joy stipper vs, side cutters

As a left hander never could use stripping tools, wasn't to bad with a T bar .................but side cutters, 12" / 18" tails for a DB stripped, potted, neoprined and meggered, yes meggered .............20 mins, would take me 20 days most likely now.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

Everything we did in local authority establishments (ok,not churches but just making a point)..when I started...(late 70's through the 80's)...was either steel or pyro..(side cutters for me!).....we used to have to run 4.0mm pyro for a single socket!! Whats more everything was flush and we were expected to make good AND paint to match.
Sometime in the early 90's standards began to slip....I can remember going into a nick to do some repairs and being horrified to find another contractor had used plastic conduit...it was a slippery slope,before long surface trunking started to appear and the first T/E job was carried out.A few years previous anyone seen with a drum of t/E would never have worked for that local authority again.
Now at a big school I work at I am still saddened to see the standard of work that is accepted.....sticky trunking all over the place,mostly half hanging off,T/E everywhere,usually extended off the original pyro/steel provision.
Sorry,but the posters on here who dont like pyro and steel cos it's a bit harder and demands considerable skills dont know the meaning of the term "job satisfaction"....not their fault,it's the times we live in.

 

[Kings]

Thanks for the replies, the church is 1600 or older I've quoted for micc and conduit with singles which they seem to like the price and ease to rewire in conduit years to come but is this acceptable nobody seems to no?