Hi i need help with what equations to use to get the results. I literally have 0 knowledge about this kind of stuffHi - what sort of help do you need? Have you got a text book to read up about Mr K?
Hi i dont have any calculations because i dont know what equations to use or how to go about getting the resultsPost your calculations, and the results you get, and we'll sober up a bit and see if you are right.
yes i'm on a mechanical course and we have barely touched any electrical stuff but it is a small part of the course that must be completed. However, since we have spent so little time on it, i just cant grasp it.Are you currently on a course? Have you not covered this yet? If not then it's a bit unfair of them to set you questions on it.
to be fair my tutor as about as helpful as a chocolate fireguard but thats another story. is there an equation or explanation for this that i might be able to follow? you dont have to tell me the answer, just how to do it and then i could try and do the maths on my own.If you’ve not been taught it it’s unreasonable and unrealistic if the course provider to expect you to understand it mate, there are plenty of people on here that could give you the answer....but would that really help you? You need to speak to the tutor mate...there’s no shame in putting ya hand up and saying you don’t get it?
hi thank you so much for your help. it requires me to use Kirchhoffs laws not Ohms lawLet's start you off then.
Get your pencil.
Name the voltage where the resistors join (for the sake of argument call it V2).
Name the current in the left hand resistor I1 and in the right hand resistor I2.
Remember Ohm's law. That's it, it really is. - But to take you one step further..
Mr Georg Ohm says that I1 = (12-V2)/1000
and also that I2 = (5-V2)/1500
He also says that (I1+I2) =V2/680
The rest is up to you. Some very basic manipulation, solve for V2, I1 and I2.
hi thank you so much for your help. it requires me to use Kirchhoffs laws not Ohms law
Thankyou so much for your help ? you are a legend !!Bobby2017: Well done for having a go. You know how to solve a problem using simultaneous equations. Alas, the simultaneous equations you wrote down are incorrect. You made errors because you did not define the currents i1 and i2 and their directions nor the voltage drops across the resistors and their polarity. This meant that when you added up the voltage drops in a loop to equal the electromotive force in the loop you had some signs wrong in the simultaneous equations.
An important lesson then is to define your currents and voltage drops on a diagram as I did top left in the attachment.
Normally in a dc circuit one would use conventional current flow ie from positive to negative. So current 'leaves' the positive terminal of the battery. The polarity of the voltages across a resistor when a current flows through them as I have defined them is as shown by the arrows in my attached diagram where the arrow tip is +ve with respect to its tail - note well that for the currents I have defined the voltage drop polarity (arrow direction) is in the opposite direction.
Applying Kirchoff's voltage law = Sum of emfs in a loop equals sum of voltage drops - for the left hand loop - it would have been helpful if I had remembered to put arrows beside each battery to indicate the direction of the emfs of the batteries. For the 12V battery it would point upwards and for the 5V battery it would point downwards:
12 = 1000i1 + 680(i1-i2)
For the right hand loop:
5 = 1500i2 - 680(i1-i2).......Note well the minus sign before the 680 Ohm resistor because the polarity of the voltage drop I defined across this resistor is in the opposite direction to the voltage drop across the 1500 Ohm resistor.
After deriving the simultaneous equations I then use the matrix algebra method to do the mathematics to arrive at i1 = 9.2375mA and i2 = 5.175mA. Because these are positive values these currents are indeed in the directions I defined in the diagram. A negative sign would reverse the direction of current flow.
One then finds the voltage drop across the 680 Ohm using using Kirchoff's current law. The current through the 680 Ohm resistor is i1-i2, so one can then use Ohm's Law to calculate the voltage drop. And since i1 is greater than i2, (i1-i2) is a positive number which means that the voltage drop polarity across the 680 is indeed in the direction I initially defined. If (i1-i2) was negative this would indicate the voltage drop polarity is opposite to what I defined.
As clear as mud? I hope not.
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I would have thought it's a first degree course, electrical students do a lot of mechanical stuff in the first year and conversely mechanical engineering students do a similar amount of electrical stuff.I don't see how these two questions have come up on a mechanical engineering course. Are you sure you are in the right classroom?
Hi its not just me in my class that is struggling, its pretty much the whole class that is struggling, we have had a "stand in" teacher who isn't really the best of help to be honest. we have raised this as a class to our course leader, but his response was that they are struggling to recruit a good permanent electronics teacher. So for the mean time, we can either make do with what we have or go without a teacher (both are just as bad as each other by the way). So its a lose lose situation. On the brighter side for us, with no disrespect meant for anyone, is that we only have this 1 assignment for electronics and this is the final question on the assignment. I think i have managed the rest of the assignment with a lot of research but these circuits just go right over my head.Bobby2017: Indeed there are many generous folk in the EF but they tend to baulk at doing other's homework. This is the second electrical science problem you have had no inkling about how to proceed. Does your tutor know of your difficulty? You said you are reading mechanical engineering; nevertheless these sorts of problems you ought to be able to tackle to be a rounded engineer.
Please let us know why you (or the whole class) have been set problems you cannot answer.
Yes i can do algebra and solve equations. Its just knowing what equations to use to for each question that i struggle withDo you know how to do complex number algebra eg:
(a + bj) divided by (c+dj)?
Thank you so much for that information, you have been more help to me than my teacher has been for the past 6 weeks in a single post !!Do you know how to work out the total resistance of two resistors in series or in parallel? If you do then you can do the same for impedances - see a little further down this post.
Also do you know:
1. that the current(I) through an inductor lags the voltage (V) across it? So one can say the voltage V = jX x I where j is square root of -1 or a phase shift of 90 degrees and X is the reactance of the inductor at the frequency of the voltage V?
2. For a capacitor, V = -jX x I where this time -j means a phase shift of -90 degrees - the current leads the voltage this time.
3. that the current through a resistor is in-phase with the voltage across it so V = R x I? So no j required.
4. the reactance X of an inductor is 2 x pi x f x L where f is frequency and L is the inductance of the inductor.
5. For a capacitor X = 1/(2pi x f x C) where C is the capacitance of the capacitor.
6. That in alternating current circuits we deal in impedance which is an amalgam of resistance and the two types of reactance viz inductive and capacitive.
7. So a capacitor C in series with a resistor R would have an impedance
Z = R - j/(2pi x f x C).
8. An inductor L in series with a resistor R and capacitor C would have an impedance of
Z = R + j(2pi x F x L) - j/(2pi x f x C)
9. In general, Z = R + j(Xind - Xcap) and if the applied voltage V across an impedance Z is V = Z x I. Z is a complex number. I is the current through the impedance.
10. If one works out the current I by dividing V/Z = a +bj then the amplitude of the current is the modulus of a + bj and the phase of the current with respect to the voltage is the argument of a + bj.
Have a go using these cues to tackle the problem you have been set.
"I really don't understand what I've done, but I guess I've done sonething?".Is any of what ive done here correct?
I really dont understand what ive done but i guess ive done something? View attachment 55230
And we are only in January ? thanks happyhippydad"I really don't understand what I've done, but I guess I've done sonething?".
That has got to be the quote of the year
Good for you for giving it a go Bobby.
Thanks very much Marconi, i appreciate itBobby2017; Good on you for having a bash. Quite a bit along the right lines. I am out tonight but tomorrow morning I will go through the problem with you.
Julie you are an absolute life saver !!Ok, so since man United won I thought I would run through the calculation.
By the sounds of it, I don't think you have used complex numbers, however since it was described, I have done it both using complex numbers, and the "long-hand" way.
Option 1 just run through the method, but unless you really know how to use complex numbers I am not sure it is of any use.
Option 2, you need to cross check with your notes to see how it's done, it is straightforward but the maths looks horrible, but that's really because you have to add two vectors (actually phasers in electrical) - which is awkward to write out cleanly.
Anyway see the attached scrawl.
You still have the last part to do, and take account of the power factor in the last calculation, I included the wrong photo!Julie you are an absolute life saver !!
I cant thank you enough!!!