Clear up my questions on "signing off"

[cmac101]

Im just about to qualify, I've been doing a few private jobs extensions, garages, etc... But I have to keep telling the customer that I can't sign it off. I've had an offer come through for some new rewires but what qualifications do i need to have?
17th edition qualified,
2391 certification,
Part-P,
NICEIC registered.
Do i need one or more of these to do my own jobs test and sign off?


Im grateful of any answers.

 

[Guitarist]

Is EIC a three part Design,Installation and inspection&testing?
so what wrong if you sighn your part of design and installation and the inspector its part.

What's wrong, is that you cannot "sign off" any part of notifiable work at all unless you are a member of a Part P scheme.
You can inform LBC in advance, get a first fix inspection, do the work, do the tests and THEN get LBC to sign it off....

 

[mhar]

well, the sharks in my LABC want £200 out of a £300 CU change. what a complete cock-up this part p is. no consistency whatever.

The figures my LABC quoted are for a competent person to design, install and test with them just signing off the work and, though not welcome, the fee level is 'moderate'. The £200 you quote sounds like it covers them testing as well which is only required if the tester is not deemed competent ie a diy orange shed job. Not suggesting that you are not deemed as competent (obviously not), more questioning if they do not properly understand their duties. Of course they could be covering their backs or they could well be sharks

 

[telectrix]

sharks, methinks. their quote was to issue a building notice prior to starting the job, and for me to test and provide then with certificates.

 

[leonard]

What's wrong, is that you cannot "sign off" any part of notifiable work at all unless you are a member of a Part P scheme.
You can inform LBC in advance, get a first fix inspection, do the work, do the tests and THEN get LBC to sign it off....

Only the inspector have to do the first fix inspection and second fix inspection and testing and sign off the work and notify the LABC .
The designer and installer just have to comply with part P.

 

[Guitarist]

With my LBC, the standard charge is £180 to make the electrical installation application which includes filing the application, site visit after 1st fix, then sign-off visit when completed. The officer does not test, just inspects that all is in order (much like any BC application).

 

[Guitarist]

Only the inspector have to do the first fix inspection and second fix inspection and testing and sign off the work and notify the LABC .
The designer and installer just have to comply with part P.

I would disagree here. The electricians guide to the building regs clearly states that ....

"It is not necessary to give prior notification of proposals to carry out electrical installation work in dwellings to Building Control bodies if the work...is carried out by a registered competent enterprise."

It then goes on to say that you, as the registered competent person or enterprise is required to formally declare that the work complies, etc....

The regs do not allow for a non-registered person to do the work and a registered person to sign it off without prior notification to the LBC

 

[telectrix]

well, my LABC don't even visit the job.. as long as installer is qualified, their fee is just for a few minutes paperwork.