Code or no-code.

[markc123]

A disagreement i've had yet again...

There is a workshop ring main with 4 double sockets and a indicated switched FCU feeding a single socket - this socket is wired in 1.5mm where the rest of the ring is 2.5mm 32A.

The spur from the FCU is roughly 1meter.

Now i know the answer to this, but had a disagreement with an electrician? (over the phone) today as he is rectifying the codes on a unsatisfactory EICR i've just completed.

Now the question is for you guys, or maybe a trainee / apprentice ... C1, C2, C3, FI or no code ?

I haven't a clue who is doing the code corrections and whether he is an electrician or not, but, if he is its scary that people are so out of touch with the regs and have no or little understand of the codes. I realise codes are open to interpretation, but not on things as trivial as this.

 

[Octopus]

If the 1.5mm is downstream of the FCU, which is on the RFC of 2.5mm then its no code.

Or have I mis-understood the description?

 

[Hawk]

No code if the 1.5mm cable is fused

 

[markc123]

Nope you haven't misunderstood - maybe should have posted this in the trainee section.

Correct, apparently its a C2 though :mad2:

Not sure who it was, whether said person was trying to get more work out of the client or its dave from across the road that doesn't have a clue.

 

[Octopus]

Nope you haven't misunderstood - maybe should have posted this in the trainee section.

Correct, apparently its a C2 though :mad2:

Not sure who it was, whether said person was trying to get more work out of the client or its dave from across the road that doesn't have a clue.

Thats total CARP!

Have you seen the EICR?

 

[markc123]

Thats total CARP!

Have you seen the EICR?

Now you've misundestood haha - i issued the EICR. And i haven't coded it - he's gone into the garage to change a cracked socket out plate which i coded C1 - and because its clipped direct he's obviously seen it and tried to tell the client the cable needs upgrading because its not big enough.

The client rang me and passed him on and he told me that 1.5mm wasn't big enough to sustain the 13A fuse lol i told him to check the regs and ring me back - still waiting.

 

[Hawk]

Tell him to have a look at appendix 15! What about appliances then that have a 1.5mm flex!! C2? Lol

 

[Simonslimline]

Now you've misundestood haha - i issued the EICR. And i haven't coded it - he's gone into the garage to change a cracked socket out plate which i coded C1 - and because its clipped direct he's obviously seen it and tried to tell the client the cable needs upgrading because its not big enough.

The client rang me and passed him on and he told me that 1.5mm wasn't big enough to sustain the 13A fuse lol i told him to check the regs and ring me back - still waiting.

He cant be an electrician surely!

If so then god help his clients.

 

[Darkwood]

I would also get him to ring your customer and make a formal apology explaining he had made a error and ask him for a written apology to yourself so you can show the customer just in case he plays on his words to hide his lack of knowledge.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

I recently wired a kitchen and because of client mind changes etc ended up with a fused grid switch system off a dedicated RFC to a couple of appliances,which wasnt what was originally planned and resulted in a busier than I would have liked flush box.So I dropped 1.5's down to the plug in appliances to make connection easier. Prior to 2nd fixing Kev the kitchen fitter informed client that this was 'illegal' and refused to fit the appliances unless the drops were changed to 2.5's! Inevitably client believed Kev rather than me....until app 15 was waved in his face.
Just shut the #### up and mind your own business kitchen fitters.

 

[alanl]

It is no code even if it's an unfused spur from a 32A RFC - the load cannot exceed the current carrying capacity of the cable.
Of course, discounting any derating factors, and assuming Method C.

 

[davesparks]

It is no code even if it's an unfused spur from a 32A RFC - the load cannot exceed the current carrying capacity of the cable.
Of course, discounting any derating factors, and assuming Method C.

Not necessarily, an unfused spur on an ring in 1.5 T&E wouldn't meet the minimum size requirements for a ring circuit, and may not meet the requirement for cpc size.