Commercial kitchen containment

[davesparks]

Does anyone know what, if any, rules cover the type of containment which can be installed in a commercial kitchen?

I have always been under the impression that stainless steel conduit is required, but have never had anything to back this up.

I'm just working on a quote for a load of odd jobs which includes adding a few more sockets in a kitchen. And I most certainly haven't been given access to the other 3 quotes which have already been submitted, none of which include stainless conduit, they all are for standard galvanised (or galvaneised in the case of one quote!) so this has got me questioning my understanding.

 

[Risteard]

I can vaguely recall something to do with the fixing of the containment, that normal saddles for the conduit were not allowed, they had to be a sort of stand off the wall type for cleaning reasons

Presumably you're referring to distance/hospital saddles.

I have done a School Meals Kitchen with stainless trunking before but also galvanised containment in other areas of the canteen.

 

[rapparee]

I thouht it was to do with the depth of the saddle not the actual form of manufacture that mattered. The smallest being space bar, distance then hospital. With munsen rings on a piece of threaded bar being the deepest lol.

 

[davesparks]

I thouht it was to do with the depth of the saddle not the actual form of manufacture that mattered. The smallest being space bar, distance then hospital. With munsen rings on a piece of threaded bar being the deepest lol.

A hospital saddle is defined by its shape, it should be a smooth curved surface. The reason being that dust and dirt will tend to roll of and not collect on them in a hospital environment, also it is easier to clean. It dates from the times when hospitals were kept spotlessly clean under the watchful gaze of matron.

 

[spark 68]

Presumably you're referring to distance/hospital saddles.

I have done a School Meals Kitchen with stainless trunking before but also galvanised containment in other areas of the canteen.

The actual type the other spark showed me were slightly different to either the normal distance saddles, or those hospital clamps shown earlier, they had two screw fixings for the wall part and
a short piece of solid round bar as the stand off bit with the back half of the clamp, a smaller version of what you see on gas/compressed air and water pipe fixings.

If I recall they were fitting plastic IP rated accessories, like I say I was not involved with the job, this may have been a food factory install though when I think about it, presumably they were working to a given spec sheet.

 

[davesparks]

The actual type the other spark showed me were slightly different to either the normal distance saddles, or those hospital clamps shown earlier, they had two screw fixings for the wall part and
a short piece of solid round bar as the stand off bit with the back half of the clamp, a smaller version of what you see on gas/compressed air and water pipe fixings.

If I recall they were fitting plastic IP rated accessories, like I say I was not involved with the job, this may have been a food factory install though when I think about it, presumably they were working to a given spec sheet.

Munsen rings!

 

[rapparee]

Munsen rings!

See post 17 i was in first lol

 

[Marvo]

I'd suggest following the existing spec of what's been previously installed or ask the client for their requirements. Generally stainless isn't required unless it's right inside a food zone. S/Steel containment is hellish expensive unless you consider 3CR12 as stainless so there could be a massive difference in prices if you're the only one quoting to use it.

 

[davesparks]

The existing spec appears to include loose T&E with open choc block connections. So I won't be following that spec!

 

[snowhead]

I've been in loads of commercial kitchens and food prep areas and never seen stainless conduit or trunking.
Modern ones are almost always PVC conduit and trunking.

The only definite NO is anything involving wood.
Hospital saddles are for Hospitals.

If it's in the customer's spec tho' that's what it would have to be.

 

[davesparks]

I've been in loads of commercial kitchens and food prep areas and never seen stainless conduit or trunking.
Modern ones are almost always PVC conduit and trunking.

The only definite NO is anything involving wood.
Hospital saddles are for Hospitals.

If it's in the customer's spec tho' that's what it would have to be.

The customers spec is 'I want some more sockets'

 

[Leesparkykent]

I don't see why using hospital saddles is a bad idea they are designed to space the conduit off the wall for ease of cleaning and they minimise the build up of dirt and dust which is only a good thing when it comes to food hygiene.

 

[Marvo]

The customers spec is 'I want some more sockets'

Quote for PVC and suggest at the bottom of the quote you'd be happy to give them a price for stainless if they prefer.

 

[davesparks]

PVC will not be allowed, everything has to be in shiny metal in all of their buildings for artistic reasons. (Welcome to the entertainment industry) the options are galv or stainless.
If I could get away with anything then id be using micc out of choice.

 

[Andy78]

PVC will not be allowed, everything has to be in shiny metal in all of their buildings for artistic reasons. (Welcome to the entertainment industry) the options are galv or stainless.
If I could get away with anything then id be using micc out of choice.

Quote for both for extra brownie points.

 

[Des 56]

Quote for both for extra brownie points.

That's the sure fire way of ensuring any over spec won't impact on the outcome of pricing a job