commisioning fire alarm

[The Ghost]

If you can read what I pm'd you then you will see exactly what it entails. I was in your position and thought I will bite the bullet and do the training which I did. The thing is no one told me to do this work you HAVE to have the standards at around a grand. Which I now have. But they are very clear and easy to reference I wish the BS7671 was set out like BS5839 it is very good indeed.

 

[The Ghost]

When you say fire alarm system do you actually mean a 2 wire fire panel and the whole shebang? Or do you mean Aico wired in system?

 

[Sb8389]

Commissioning is the final sign off for the fire systems. The commissioning engineer should check everything, design, installation and test everything to ensure compliance with the three standards involved: BS7671, BS5839-1, BS5839-6.
Whilst on the surface it may seam a lot of money, if commissioning is done correctly in flats and common area it will take them quite a long time.
In my humble opinion, if you wasn’t happy and confident to design the system in the first place, why would you now suddenly think differently for what is the most important sign off (especially if the council are involved).
Don’t even try it without a copy of 5839-1&6

I don’t disagree pal

 

[Sb8389]

Commissioning is the final sign off for the fire systems. The commissioning engineer should check everything, design, installation and test everything to ensure compliance with the three standards involved: BS7671, BS5839-1, BS5839-6.
Whilst on the surface it may seam a lot of money, if commissioning is done correctly in flats and common area it will take them quite a long time.
In my humble opinion, if you wasn’t happy and confident to design the system in the first place, why would you now suddenly think differently for what is the most important sign off (especially if the council are involved).
Don’t even try it without a copy of 5839-1&6

I don’t disagree pal

Is this an HMO or a block of separate dwellings.

it’s a 3storey property with 3 self contained flats, not an HMO

 

[The Ghost]

In any event it is common practice to have stipulated an independent commissioning firm for the final cert as it is without vested interests.
And then there is the emergency lighting and the separate standards for that. I presume this came into the install?

 

[Sb8389]

When you say fire alarm system do you actually mean a 2 wire fire panel and the whole shebang? Or do you mean Aico wired in system?

2 wire panel grade A to communal area and heat in each flat

 

[Sb8389]

From your replies I will just get it commissioned by the company who designed the install. What is the rough cost of CAD drawings to be made up of the design as I’m guessing this is also a requirement or is it not.

 

[Diver233]

EU would normally do that bit as part of the design

 

[westward10]

So heat detection in the lobby to the flat is connected to the system in the communal areas?

 

[Sb8389]

EU would normally do that bit as part of the design

When I got them out to design the system that’s what I thought I may get but I only got an itemised list of what’s required, so wasn’t sure if they would charge me additional charge on top

 

[Sb8389]

So heat detection in the lobby to the flat is connected to the system in the communal areas?

Yes that’s what both the council and EU have designed

 

[Darkwood]

I tend to have self contained in flats with heat detection on community in flat by door, you really need both regs and if you join BSI and pay the yearly membership most of the regs are half price, I joined and save about 800 quid when I updated just 4x regulations

 

[The Ghost]

Thinking about it I am surprised no detection in the system in the kitchen. I have the idea that now you should have a dual detector for heat and Carbon Monoxide no?

 

[Sb8389]

Thinking about it I am surprised no detection in the system in the kitchen. I have the idea that now you should have a dual detector for heat and Carbon Monoxide no?

I do find it strange aswell, but all the council stated was they want grade D Ld3 to each flat (non interlinked), that’s exactly what they put, I haven’t installed this yet and to be honest I’m not sure what to install and where to be honest, don’t want to go over the odds if they dont feels its required but on the other hand don’t want to leave myself open either, the reason I’m keen on doing least amount possible in the flats is one of the tenants is a heroin addict and is treating his kitchen like a crack den (so least amount of time spent in there the better)

 

[westward10]

On that note I would not even be crossing the threshold.