Con or not?!? City and Guilds 2391 to 2394 and 2395

[harrison2987]

Hi guys,

What do you lot think the reason is for changing the city and guilds 2391 to 2394 and 2395??

From what i understand the 2391 has now been split into 2 courses and become easier to pass (2394 - Initial Verification and Certification of Electrical Installations and 2395 - Periodic Inspection, Testing and Certification of Electrical Installations).

I know it will also now include amendments aswell, but whats the point in having the 2 courses?

Is this a money maker for the powers that be, and have they made the course easier so more people will attempt it?!?

Please let me know what your thoughts are on this!!

Cheers guys

 

[Englishman]

Well as someone who has done both the 2391 and the 2394/5 I can confirm that in my personal opinion, the latter was the hardest. If I personally had to employ someone and had to choose between two equally qualified and experienced electricians in every area, both essentially exactly the same but one with the 2391 and one with the 2394/5, I would have to lean towards choosing the one with the 2394/5 just because I know through my own experience the difference. I passed my 2391 almost straight after finishing college with a mark of 86% and even then I found it to be a breeze, I passed my 2394 and 2395 at the start of this year and I struggled with one or two on the 2395 written. I passed my 2395 with a mark of 72%, not good in my opinion. To be fair though, some of the questions are worded rather oddly. Even still, I don't believe in any way that this qual separates the wheat from the chaff, too many 5WWs out there passing them. Equally as baffling is that the pass rate is based on prior performance. Last year, the pass mark required for the 2395 written was 65%, this year it was 55%?!?!? The 2391 at the time I took it required only 50% correct answers in the exam! This to me says that even though only 30% of electricians go on to pass the 2391/2395 first time, out of that 30%, potentially they only know 50% of what they should!

Given the previously mentioned situation, two sparks, one job. If one had the 2391 or 2395 and the other didn't, instead they had the 2396... Well, the choice would be an easy one for me. The 2391 and/or 2395 are in the same boat as the 2382 to me. Given enough retakes, any old muppet can pass them.

That's my two cents anyway

The 2391 pass mark has never been revealed, nor do you get told of your pass mark so I don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Dubbo]

The 2391 pass mark has never been revealed, nor do you get told of your pass mark so I don't know what you're talking about.

I was told you can get feed back from C&G about exam you just have to pay a fee for it

 

[D Skelton]

The 2391 pass mark has never been revealed, nor do you get told of your pass mark so I don't know what you're talking about.

Yes, you're quite correct. I am a liar. I shall go now and hang my head in shame.

Idiot.

 

[Englishman]

Yes, you're quite correct. I am a liar. I shall go now and hang my head in shame.

Idiot.

I think you are tbh.

Also, what you say about them changing pass marks is complete crap IMO as it deems the qualification worthless if one year, god knows how many people who get less than, say, 75% all fail yet the next exam, you only need to get 60%.

And nobody would retake an exam for fun or because it's now a bit different.

You're talking out your arse.

 

[Amp David]

The 2391 pass mark has never been revealed, nor do you get told of your pass mark so I don't know what you're talking about.

Just what I was getting at earlier.

 

[Sparkie30]

Yes, you're quite correct. I am a liar. I shall go now and hang my head in shame.

Idiot.

so how did you find out your pass mark? come on share it

 

[D Skelton]

I think you are tbh.

Also, what you say about them changing pass marks is complete crap IMO as it deems the qualification worthless if one year, god knows how many people who get less than, say, 75% all fail yet the next exam, you only need to get 60%.

And nobody would retake an exam for fun or because it's now a bit different.

You're talking out your arse.

You clearly know nothing then about how city and guilds and their exams work. You do realise it isn't C&G that actually mark the paers don't you??? Funny how you can accuse me of talking out my behind when you know nothing about me or even the way things work at the guild. Clearly just a no-mark with nothing better to do with your time than to bait other members of a forum with rude remarks. Well, I aint biting, welcome to my blocked list.

 

[D Skelton]

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so how did you find out your pass mark? come on share it

I know the guy who marked them. It really isn't an exciting story.

 

[Englishman]

so how did you find out your pass mark? come on share it

He's one of these people who talks about knowing everything yet refuses to explain it other than he "knows someone"

Obviously this person he knows only tells him and nobody else. 2391 has been going about 20 years, yet he knows the pass marks and how much he got. And all this rubbish about fluctuating pass grades is crap as well.

And he reckons that he passed it and then just decided to do the 2395 for the sake of it? Absolute rubbish. Be he's passed neither. I notice that he put that there are plenty of very good testers with neither qualification as well.....

 

[shagbite]

He's one of these people who talks about knowing everything yet refuses to explain it other than he "knows someone"

Obviously this person he knows only tells him and nobody else. 2391 has been going about 20 years, yet he knows the pass marks and how much he got. And all this rubbish about fluctuating pass grades is crap as well.

And he reckons that he passed it and then just decided to do the 2395 for the sake of it? Absolute rubbish. Be he's passed neither.

I notice that he put that there are plenty of very good testers with neither qualification as well...

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what's wrong with that? i know loads of competent testers who've never done 2391/94/95.

 

[Englishman]

what's wrong with that? i know loads of competent testers who've never done 2391/94/95.

Was more referring to the fact that he is sitting there telling us that he's taken and passed all of it and that he knows everything about it that makes me think he has neither.

 

[shagbite]

not sure why you think he'd want to lie about it. it's not like he's telling us he nailed linda lusardi back in '85. and it's not beyond reason that he knows someone who marks the papers - those fellas have got to have some friends.

fluctuating pass marks i have no knowledge of. you seem to have a strong opinion on the matter though - what evidence do you have that this doesn't happen? if you're gonna slag someone off for not providing evidence to support their claims, you should have your own proof to support your own.

 

[Aindowsimon]

How can a test be split in 2 (2391) and the subsequent two tests be harder with only half the syllabus for each test ??

 

[GLENNSPARK]

fight fight fight fight....

 

[GLENNSPARK]

not sure why you think he'd want to lie about it. it's not like he's telling us he nailed linda lusardi back in '85. and it's not beyond reason that he knows someone who marks the papers - those fellas have got to have some friends.

fluctuating pass marks i have no knowledge of. you seem to have a strong opinion on the matter though - what evidence do you have that this doesn't happen? if you're gonna slag someone off for not providing evidence to support their claims, you should have your own proof to support your own.

no...it was me....