Concerned about bathroom work carried out

[D Skelton]

Unfortunately I was out of the house when they did the work and I never showed them the plans... my mistake to be honest but I was expecting them to make decent decisions based on their non existent qualifications and the fact they were very well rated on a parasitic rated trader website.

If you were in my position would you accept the job as it is or ask them to change it?

All this stinks of Electrical Trainee to me!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Unfortunately I was out of the house when they did the work and I never showed them the plans... my mistake to be honest but I was expecting them to make decent decisions based on their qualifications and the fact they were very well rated on a rated trader website.

If you were in my position would you accept the job as it is or ask them to change it?

well if theres no evidence to suggest that the cable is there..once covered over then its a non-compliance....so i would be getting them to sort it...

i dont like them FCUs in there either....

 

[NickD]

All this stinks of Electrical Trainee to me!

30YWs can do s**t work too

 

[GLENNSPARK]

All this stinks of Electrical Trainee to me!

aye....

they striketh forth again i`m sorry to say....

i mean come on...
no-one in the know installs a cable like that.....

 

[GLENNSPARK]

30YWs can do s**t work too

you mean 30 year wonders nick?...

as in:

its a wonder they made it to 30 years with the amount of pised off customers chasin `em....and they did a `wonder course`....

 

[jaypp]

It appears they haven't connected anything yet, so perhaps it's not as bad as it seems. also stud not tacked yet. only thing I can add, is to read instructions to see if what's been done follows manufacturer 'requirements'

 

[Megavolt]

Crickey you want to see what Barry bathroom fitter does round here. That's a great install for Barry

 

[Geordie Spark]

Yes, that supplies the whole house. Though as mentioned there are two separate breakers for two rings. I assume for upstairs and downstairs though I have no way of checking this...

Maybe if you switch one breaker off and see what no longer works and then do the same with the other breaker it will give you a bit of a clue???

Just a thought. :banghead:

 

[GLENNSPARK]

It appears they haven't connected anything yet, so perhaps it's not as bad as it seems. also stud not tacked yet. only thing I can add, is to read instructions to see if what's been done follows manufacturer 'requirements'

well ...this is likely to make noises about being installed by a `competent electrician`..

i very much doubt though it will be saying anything about not installing cable/s within safe zones....

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Maybe if you switch one breaker off and see what no longer works and then do the same with the other breaker it will give you a bit of a clue???

Just a thought. :banghead:

he would be wise to check they aren`t interconnected either...after those responsible for the basic non-compliances in the images have been piddlin about with them...

you just dont know....

 

[Geordie Spark]

LOL phew!

I spent weeks designing the stud and pipes etc on a computer, was getting worried!

Yeah I agree it does seem a bit thrown together.

On my plans I had the cables routed out above the mixer and around and down the stud running down the left hand side. Im not an electrician and wasn't even aware of the requirement for proximity but it seemed the most logical (and safest) route for them to travel. I wasn't expecting any switches in the bathroom, let alone that close to anything with water in it...

I guess in reality this was the easiest solution which required the least cable running...

It's probably only saving grace is the pipework which looks neat & tidy. I don't like the plastic push fit though - never have - but it can bring some benefits sometimes.

Back to the issue of the switches etc; is there a cupboard - an airing cupboard maybe?- outside the bathroom you could hide them in?

 

[D Skelton]

30YWs can do s**t work too

The world's greatest heart surgeon has probably killed a few of his patients as well. You gonna stick him in the same boat as Mr 'surgically remove and steal your kidneys leaving you in an ice cube bath' Yakuza?

 

[jaypp]

well ...this is likely to make noises about being installed by a `competent electrician`..

i very much doubt though it will be saying anything about not installing cable/s within safe zones....

you'd like to think so, I was getting more at op gaining info.

re cable, just move spur it feeds over to the right

 

[Geordie Spark]

you mean 30 year wonders nick?...

as in:

its a wonder they made it to 30 years with the amount of pised off customers chasin `em....and they did a `wonder course`....

Ok ... Stop getting yer knickers in a twist, I'm retired now so not playing with the lekky things anymore .

Besides, I'm really a gas fitter anyway!

 

[Geordie Spark]

Unfortunately I was out of the house when they did the work and I never showed them the plans... my mistake to be honest but I was expecting them to make decent decisions based on their qualifications and the fact they were very well rated on a rated trader website.

If you were in my position would you accept the job as it is or ask them to change it?

No .... I would NOT be asking them to change it, I would be damned well TELLING them to change it!!

But, I'm a Geordie and we're not known for subtlety!

 

[Megavolt]

Let's be honest if your a Electrical Trainee or a 30yw they all can produce bad workmanship it's down to the individual. Just because they haven't gone down the same training as you doesn't automaticlly make them rough does it.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

It's probably only saving grace is the pipework which looks neat & tidy. I don't like the plastic push fit though - never have - but it can bring some benefits sometimes.

Back to the issue of the switches etc; is there a cupboard - an airing cupboard maybe?- outside the bathroom you could hide them in?

exactly...thats where they should be..

they`v been tryin to save on a bit of cable by breakin out that feeder where they have...

 

[ipf]

Let's be honest if your a Electrical Trainee or a 30yw they all can produce bad workmanship it's down to the individual. Just because they haven't gone down the same training as you doesn't automaticlly make them rough does it.

True.......but I know who my money would be on, generally.

 

[Badged01]

As a non-technical question, how much did the 'electrician' charge for the job? My thinking being if you've paid peanuts on one of the trader sites you get monkeys doing the job ......

 

[Hawkmoon]

The cable in question (apparently not in safe zone) is presumably dropping to a visible flex outlet/whatever - we can't judge until all the facts are in

Quite surprised we are prepared to bad mouth some electrician on the basis of a customer's perception of a yet unfinished job.

 

[londonlec]

Doesn't look that bad to me.
If anyone was drilling etc around that area they should be removing that panel to check for pipes etc anyway.

However, more importantly where are the spurs fed from? Are they a spur off spur from a 32A MCB?

And I very much doubt the man/sup bonding is satisfactory given the age of the CU.

 

[uksparks]

a safe zone can be created either side of a wall Nick...it then applies to both sides of that wall...

basically the point i was trying to get across at #11

Glenn can you point me in the direction that suggests that a safe zone carries through the wall. I was under the impression that it was only contained within the same room? Admittedly I wouldn't drill into a wall directly behind a light switch.

 

[Hawkmoon]

Doesn't look that bad to me.
If anyone was drilling etc around that area they should be removing that panel to check for pipes etc anyway.

However, more importantly where are the spurs fed from? Are they a spur off spur from a 32A MCB?

And I very much doubt the man/sup bonding is satisfactory given the age of the CU.

Post 7 mentions isolation

 

[Badged01]

Electricians guide to the building regs expands on it -- section 2. Basically the zone on one side extends to the reverse side of the wall ..... provided of course the location of the accessory/safe zone can be determined from the reverse side!

 

[uksparks]

I agree we should not suggest the bloke drives a horse as none of us know the full picture.

it looks ok for the purpose of being concealed but as others have said at present it doesn't appear to be in a safe zone. But then again we can't see the whole picture or know how it's going to be finished.

i think the best thing to do would be to ask the electrician if he can explain to you about the safe zones and ask him to show you how his work complies, as for putting the switches next to the pump, I can't see any problems.

As for the RCD, I would have thought it would just be on the one circuit but without looking I can't comment. I think he has possibly made the best of what he had to work with there, it's got to have an RCD and I suspect he probably advised you that it would be fitted in that way, you don't tend to have many options when working with old boards.