Confused Please Help!!

[mattmoo1974]

Ok iv just finished my 2330 level 2
Iv just passed my 17th and my part P
i just went in and had my last "chat" with the lecture
I asked him if i join Napit niceic etc etc. Could i got and work for myself
My plan was to run a little ad and do small odd jobs while i do my level 3 next year.Nothing big,moving sockets, extra lights poss,wiring showers, i work for a Kitchen fitter very part time and hes said i can do some work for him Ie Ring mains,SFCU etc etc
I asked my lecture if i was allowed to change CCU's.
As iv also been asked to do some garden lighting/Power to sheds.
And some of these have nt got a spare way and the CCU is well out of date.
My lecture has said that i cant change CCU's on level 2? he said id have to ask Napit or who ever i go with?
Can any 1 shed some light on the matter, Every time i ask my lecture what i can and cant do, He flys of in a different direction and i never get a straight answer.

 

[caddy]

I belive (but you will havew to chacek with whichever scheme provider you choose) that to join you will need NVQ 3 or equivilant. The equivilant usually means going on one of there courses, but again you should check with the scheme provider as to exactly what they will let you do with the qualifications you currently hold.

 

[mattmoo1974]

You can join(Napit) with part P and Regs as that is aimed at Kitchen fitters/plumbers who just do minor works.Ie move a socket/add a spur to a ring. Seems a Very gray area, i know they are changing the quailfycations about and this is the last year you can do Level3 with Nvq3,Then it changes to a 3 yr Course. It seems like iv done my level 2 and i can only do the same as a Part P Qual Person. Begs the question why even bother? im by Know means the cleverest in the class(please incert Jokes) but i did ok.
There are plenty in there that will never go onto do level 3, Does this mean they ve wasted a year doing level 2 if you can only do the same as a Part P person? iv tryed ringing Napit but the young lady on the end of the phone isnt that clued up on the ins and outs of this.

 

[ezzzekiel]

Ok iv just finished my 2330 level 2
Iv just passed my 17th and my part P

you have no partp until you have joined, paid fees and been assessed by a competent persons scheme, so this is your next step along with getting calibrated test equipment , public liability and required publications before membership is accepted.

also unlike matmoo opinion you can join a scheme under full scope with level 2 as long as you are competent but until you achieve Nvq3 you will never be classed (on paper) as fully qualified.

 

[mattmoo1974]

you have no partp until you have joined, paid fees and been assessed by a competent persons scheme, so this is your next step along with getting calibrated test equipment , public liability and required publications before membership is accepted.

I agree ezzekiel.
Iv been quoted for all of the above. All i need to do is pay
Iv got meter(calibrated) tools etc all i have to do is pay fee(assesment), My question is "what work can i and cant i do",I dont want to pay out £1000+ to find out im very limited in the work i can carry out.
Iv got a few jobs in the pipeline, Some of these look like i will new to change the Ccu. "Rewirable fuses"
No RCD protection.

 

[ezzzekiel]

as you have 2330 level 2 and 17th (assume by partp you mean some form of di qual) then you are eligible to join a scheme as full scope member at a cost of approx £400 per year.

if napit for example required further proof you would sit a 2 day test thats free - providing you know your stuff then not a problem
and can carry out any work you deem yourself to be competent in.


also pi insurance cheapest about £50

 

[mattmoo1974]

as you have 2330 level 2 and 17th (assume by partp you mean some other qual) then you are eligible to join a scheme as full scope member at a cost of approx £400 per year.

and can carry out any work you deem yourself to be competent in.


also pi insurance cheapest about £50

Many thanks mate
Every 1 should have Part P of the building Regs(Dont quote me) its a yr course on where you can do Chases/Depth in joists/width/Where to run cables etc etc ,it was brought in 2005.
My lecture told me i had to do this before i could do domestic, Its also aimed at kitchen fitters etc etc Scope B on Niceic webby, you cant change CCu's on scope B,But i have 2330 level 2 :S
Allevery confusing and very hard to get a straight answer
Think i ll try and ring NicEic tomoz and see what they say on the matter.

 

[ezzzekiel]

unfortunately its a mish mash sytem with unqualified people doing short courses and being classed as electricians, partp is a joke and doing the opposite to what it was supposed to do.

you need to be classed as full scope, however you are only part qualified so if things were run correctly you would only be allowed defined scope, but they are not and you should be fine with your quals. Napit run there own one week course which allows full scope so im sure your level2 is way higher

 

[mattmoo1974]

unfortunately its a mish mash sytem with unqualified people doing short courses and being classed as electricians, partp is a joke and doing the opposite to what it was supposed to do.

you need to be classed as full scope, however you are only part qualified so if things were run correctly you would only be allowed defined scope, but they are not and you should be fine with your quals. Napit run there own one week course which allows full scope so im sure your level 2 is way higher

Thanks again mate
And your so right, On my Part P course there are alot of builders that Moan about sparkys charging to much quote "£150 to wire a shower Robbing Bstard". they dont realise there not allowed to put in new circuits under part P(Just checked Napit and you can :S). Its opened the flood gates for them to just go around wiring any thing they like.
I can join Napit without my Inspect and test Qual as long as i do it within the next 12 months? LOL

 

[ezzzekiel]

there is no requirement to hold 2391, only qual you need to achieve is 2382 within first 12 months of membership.

I cant understand why you would do a partp course? if you hold 2330 level2 then go straight onto level 3 ,
with that along with 17th edition is the highest a lot of most working sparks hold.

 

[mattmoo1974]

there is no requirement to hold 2391, only qual you need to achieve is 2382 within first 12 months of membership.

I cant understand why you would do a partp course? if you hold 2330 level2 then go straight onto level 3 ,
with that along with 17th edition is the highest a lot of most working sparks hold.

You have to hold that qual be able to join Napit etc etc So i can self cert my work or i have to get building control to test it for me. Part P with no electrical Qual i can do is Defined Scope Scheme.
Because i have a electrical Qual i can join full scope.
All very confusing.

 

[timitds]

You have to hold that qual be able to join Napit etc etc So i can self cert my work or i have to get building control to test it for me. Part P with no electrical Qual i can do is Defined Scope Scheme.
Because i have a electrical Qual i can join full scope.
All very confusing.

you are confused dear boy PART P IS NOT A QUALIFICATION you can do this course INSTEAD of an electrical course to do basic part p notifiable work YOU DO NOT need it as well as an elec qual.

it is aimed at builders, fitters etc so they can go round bodging up peoples electric perfectly legally yeee haaa

read this sir durham has explained it all
http://www.electriciansforums.net/electrical-forum-general-electrical-forum/18609-part-p.html

 

[ezzzekiel]

you do not have to hold 2391 to join a scheme, if you did there would be a hell of a lot less people members of schemes as 2391 is a tough exam mostly taken by fully qualified experienced electricians.

The lowest qual to join is Di (partp course) which a lot are not recognised by scheme providers as full scope so check first.

2330 level2 is a industry standard qualification

2382 is required within first 12 months of membership

 

[mattmoo1974]

you are confused dear boy PART P IS NOT A QUALIFICATION you can do this course INSTEAD of an electrical course to do basic part p notifiable work YOU DO NOT need it as well as an elec qual.

it is aimed at builders, fitters etc so they can go round bodging up peoples electric perfectly legally yeee haaa

read this sir durham has explained it all
http://www.electriciansforums.net/electrical-forum-general-electrical-forum/18609-part-p.html

My lecture is a **** and iv wasted 2 hrs every thursday evening for the last yr SNIFF SNIFF
TBH 2330 level 2 teaches you the science etc etc behind it. Part P has taught me where and how deep i can go into walls,Bonding requirements as well as my 2330 course,In fairness they should just be rolled together.
My lecturer is still telling the other 17 lads on my course they need to do Part P as well as 17th ed
Part P is guidence with building Regs.
Im not as confused as i was but its still cloudy LOL
Thanks for the input lads

 

[timitds]

ye as good as lecturers are at the end of the day some of them have been out the game for a while so they are offering an opinion on there interpretation of what they think you need to do rather than actual facts.

well at least you got somet out of it

ye the 2330 is designed to give the understanding you need to interpret what you need to do but i think (although ive not done it yet) the lvl3 covers a bit more as its based alongside the 17th edition

question now though as ive not done either but does the 17th edition course not cover the elements of part p or just give you the nouse to interpret them yourelf??