Confused Please Help!!

[mattmoo1974]

Ok iv just finished my 2330 level 2
Iv just passed my 17th and my part P
i just went in and had my last "chat" with the lecture
I asked him if i join Napit niceic etc etc. Could i got and work for myself
My plan was to run a little ad and do small odd jobs while i do my level 3 next year.Nothing big,moving sockets, extra lights poss,wiring showers, i work for a Kitchen fitter very part time and hes said i can do some work for him Ie Ring mains,SFCU etc etc
I asked my lecture if i was allowed to change CCU's.
As iv also been asked to do some garden lighting/Power to sheds.
And some of these have nt got a spare way and the CCU is well out of date.
My lecture has said that i cant change CCU's on level 2? he said id have to ask Napit or who ever i go with?
Can any 1 shed some light on the matter, Every time i ask my lecture what i can and cant do, He flys of in a different direction and i never get a straight answer.

 

[mattmoo1974]

ye as good as lecturers are at the end of the day some of them have been out the game for a while so they are offering an opinion on there interpretation of what they think you need to do rather than actual facts.

well at least you got somet out of it

ye the 2330 is designed to give the understanding you need to interpret what you need to do but i think (although ive not done it yet) the lvl3 covers a bit more as its based alongside the 17th edition

question now though as ive not done either but does the 17th edition course not cover the elements of part p or just give you the nouse to interpret them yourelf??

17th is just the Regs book and how to find your way around it, ie tables for voltage drop etc etc and much much much more, Part P just gives you the info without having to find it within the Regs.
And in fairness mate i think they d be in the No and it be the other way around,they get given all the updates for the Quals on a Regular basis, Like the New EAL and that that his is the last year you can do the old style NVQ,Its a straight 3 year course as of Dec,Dec is the last time you can register for the level 3 NVQ and you ve got 2 yrs to compelete that book. They dont know whats going to happen after that, and if you can carry ur current unfinshed Quals over. Fingers crossed. I Dont think any 1 No's the true answer.

 

[brucelee]

hi guys,
I would like to ask you similar questions
I did a apprenticeship in 1986 but never completed it another story
I have been involved in electrical installation for last 23 years, but never had any qualifications
tried repeatedly to get help with getting qualified over the years but was told i was to old
So last year after much thought i decided to pay for a private training course at great expense to my family
I did a 6 week training course and passed 17th, 2377, 2393, and logic full scope level A award
which i was told was all i needed to work for myself and register with one of governing bodies
I have also just taken a 8 week evening course at college for 2391-10 still waiting for results

Is this all i need to register with elecsa or similar
I have all required books, Megger 1552 etc
would i have to do a Nvq 3 to be classed as a electrician

 

[timitds]

hi guys,
I would like to ask you similar questions
I did a apprenticeship in 1986 but never completed it another story
I have been involved in electrical installation for last 23 years, but never had any qualifications
tried repeatedly to get help with getting qualified over the years but was told i was to old
So last year after much thought i decided to pay for a private training course at great expense to my family
I did a 6 week training course and passed 17th, 2377, 2393, and logic full scope level A award
which i was told was all i needed to work for myself and register with one of governing bodies
I have also just taken a 8 week evening course at college for 2391-10 still waiting for results

Is this all i need to register with elecsa or similar
I have all required books, Megger 1552 etc
would i have to do a Nvq 3 to be classed as a electrician

mate your experience is more valuable than any paper qual

check out the link in post 12 to answer about elecsa etc but you seem to have it covered

hard to define what an electrician is nowadays but jib seem to require the nvq3 amongst a few other things to grade you check out there website

but having said that from the ads i see from employers they tend to ask for 17th edition +2391+and the most important imo 'experience' some now are also asking for 'part p' which to be honest im not even sure they know what there asking for but you seem to cover all those bases. some ask for jib but by no means all.

if i were in your position (and you can afford to do so) would register for the nvq before dec which is the cutoff before it changes think its around the 500 squid mark and you have up to 3 years to complete but can be completed very quickly in the right circumstances (strings to your bow and all that)

personally i think it more rides on what youve done in the past i.e domestic, comm , ind and think most employers will favour more what you have done than the quals you hold.

hth

 

[brucelee]

cheers mate
I did a year of my apprenticeship out of the three it was then. after a couple of years went back into electrics working for a firm that worked as contractors for wainhomes doing new build domestic but also commercial as well as rewires a little industrial experience but not enough to be competent at this. I did this for three years. after this i have been involved in electrics doing rewires. then doing maintanence including three phase commercial electrics amongst other jobs
I gave this up as was doing everything i did was for peanuts. Also my partner was left disabled after private operation in 2005. I then became her carer which i still am, so last year after trying to get help to get qualified was told there was no help for me of dole as i am not classed as unemployed
after much thought 3 years decided to pay private for the above qualifications should have cost £5020 but got it for £4020 got a megger tools and regs ,osg as part of course was taught inspection and testing. I was lacking the theory had no probs with practical side of things
I completed this last august then tried to get help of dole to go self employed to work from home again no help of dole
I managed to get advice of two other organizations and am in process of starting up then register with elecsa. done a business course in jan and feb
After looking at jobs i noticed a lot of employers were asking for 2391 so i enrolled and started it in march just taken my exams in june and waiting for results now
what is the NVQ level 3 Qualification i would have to take to be classed as electrician by JIB

 

[DurhamSparky]

Electrotechnical NVQ 3, City and Guilds 2356 | Delta Electrical Training Ltd

its the End result of a Apprentice scheme...!!! Normally on of the final quals to prove competence as a qualified electrician...!! the course ends as a standalone in dec so get registered as you then have 2 years to do it!!

 

[brucelee]

Electrotechnical NVQ 3, City and Guilds 2356 | Delta Electrical Training Ltd

its the End result of a Apprentice scheme...!!! Normally on of the final quals to prove competence as a qualified electrician...!! the course ends as a standalone in dec so get registered as you then have 2 years to do it!!

cheers mate
how much would this cost with this provider and do i have to be working in industry to do this
I looked at this provider for the 2391 but chose bury college as a mate i did 17th with did it last oct and recommended it
Is this provider a good one as i have spent £5000 so far mate and not earned a Bean yet. I want to do it by the book so have turned down lots of jobs as i am not self employed yet and not registered with elecsa yet
People dont seem to understand about Part P and notifying Building control and the cost.They just want cheap jobs But i havent spent all this money and time studying to not be doing it by the book
So are these guys good
By the way like your website very professional looking

 

[DurhamSparky]

i did my NVQ with them...!! cost me just over 500 for the course.

you need to be in the industry to do any NVQ, but you can of course use previous experience jobs to submit as evidence..!

there is no site assessment either and its all submitted via the web/email

Tony the assessor is very helpful and goes out his way for you.

you dont need the NVQ to register on a scheme but you DO need it to prove to employers your a fully qualified Spark as wonder courses dont do this course..!

its also very helpful if you go for a JIB card as they insist you have a NVQ 3

 

[brucelee]

Thanks mate
so its better if i start up and then register with them for 2356 before december is all the work done from work based and not classroom I am not sure how Nvq works

 

[DurhamSparky]

NVQ is site based Evidence, they give you 3 log books to fill in and each log book has 8 sections tat need completing with evidence!

PM me !!

 

[ezzzekiel]

you will need 2330 level 3 before you can do nvq3 and would need to register quick as 2330 is about to change, not sure if you hold either 2330 lev3 or 2360 1&2 but you would need to make up the shortfall

you hold enough quals to work self employed under a scheme and also a lot of firms would employ you but you would not be classed as an electrician under jib without holding the nvq

 

[DurhamSparky]

you will need 2330 level 3 before you can do nvq3 and would need to register quick as 2330 is about to change, not sure if you hold either 2330 lev3 or 2360 1&2 but you would need to make up the shortfall

i dont have 2330.... i have Btec and still did it!

 

[ezzzekiel]

i dont have 2330.... i have Btec and still did it!

it does allow other alternatives under Jib discretion, have you applied to Jib and been graded yet Durham? there is the possibilty that Jib may only grade you as labourer etc.. without holding all quals

Not that Jib grading means much these days

 

[ezzzekiel]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]JIB Grading Definitions - Electrician Grade[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Qualifications and Training[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Must satisfy the following three conditions:[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1) Must have been a registered apprentice or undergone some equivalent method of training and have had practical training in electrical installation work.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]2) Must have obtained an NVQ Level 3 in electrical installation work (or approved equivalent) - see Note 1.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]3) Must have obtained a pass in the City & Guilds 2360 Electrical Installation Theory Part 2 Course or approved equivalent.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Note 1:[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If the applicant meets the other two criteria but has not achieved an NVQ Level 3 in electrical installation, then a "Provisional" grading may be awarded if the following criteria are both satisfied:[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]a) have obtained at least the City & Guilds 2360 Electrical Installation Theory Part 2 Course Certificate (or approved equivalent).[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]b) have obtained Achievement Measurement 2 or must be able, with the application for Grading and any other relevant supporting evidence (i.e. the City & Guilds Electricians' Certificate) which may be required, to satisfy the Grading Committee of his experience and suitability. [/FONT]

 

[DurhamSparky]

not really bothered with JIB!! dont plan on going to sites or getting CSCS cards..!

lol...

i got BTEC Advanced Level 3, also did the knowledge assessment with the NVQ as City and Guilds were up there own backside when it comes to other providers courses..!! lol

 

[ezzzekiel]

could be worth ringing Jib to find out - you never know you may want to join one day when durham electrics go global and start subcontracting for me