Cooker Connection

[ic3y]

Hi Guys

I need to move my cooker 4 meters.
so my question is

Can the existing 6mm cable be joined by crimp and heat shrink (by a qualified electrician) to the new cable and buried in the wall then plastered.

the reason for doing this would be asthetic as the joining block and double blanking plate looks naff
and cupboards on wall would fall half way across it making it inaccessable anyway and there no more existing wire to bring it further down and that would look horrible too.

cheers guys

Jeff

 

[Octopus]

Thank you he is coming back saturday

Am i getting this right

He could put it further up and because it is behind a cupboard it is technically a "safe zone"
so regs are ok with that

Behind a cupboard isn't a safe zone.

Safe zones are horizontally and vertically from ANY visible accessory.

 

[ic3y]

is that accessable or doesnt it matter?

 

[Octopus]

is that accessable or doesnt it matter?

If its visible and the cover can be removed its accessible. It its hidden behind a cupboard, its not in a safe zone, nor accessible.

Why don't you post a photo?

 

[ic3y]

Ok i think i get it from all the cryptic answers i have recieved.

My original question was can i sink a crimped connection in the wall and plaster over.

the answer is no because it will create an "unsafe zone" of hidden wires

bingo

 

[Andy78]

Ok i think i get it from all the cryptic answers i have recieved.

My original question was can i sink a crimped connection in the wall and plaster over.

the answer is no because it will create an "unsafe zone" of hidden wires

bingo

Depending of course on where the joint is situated.
You did get a straight answer on the first reply. Ask the sparks who will be carrying out this work as he will have his eyes on the situation and be able to best advise you.

 

[ic3y]

Thanks to you all i got there in the end. The answer is no! and for me to get what i want it really means new cable back to floorboards or the CU. Not want i wanted to do if i could get away with it but safety first!


and just a note for some of you who think you are being helpful.

i am not an electrician and Sometimes i come on here to ask questions to make sure i am not getting ripped off or given wrong advice but if you are going to say "ask your electrician" then whats the point.......lol.

thanks to you all for chipping in though and taking the time to respond

Jeff

 

[Geordie Spark]

as he says ^^^^^. discuss with your sparks the best way to schieve your goal giving consideration to the aesthetics. not all sparks just bang in a piece of trunking.

No .... just some of the Scousers do that.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

do you know what...22 posts on a cooker cable....and i`v been reading some of this tosh n all.....
for a start i would not be putting joints in any cable in the service voids of kitchen units as they wont be accessable for maintainance...
another way of doing this would be to use a suitably rated joint box under the cupboard...like behind the kickboard....but if that is not possible then joint the existing cooker cable into a DP switch in a cupboard....then from there onto the cooker.....
but whoever thinks that just to crimp and bury into the wall....or start hiding joints in service voids is no better than kev kitchen or barry bathroom fitter or sommat like that.....and should reconsider their trade....

 

[odawire]

do you know what...22 posts on a cooker cable....and i`v been reading some of this tosh n all.....
for a start i would not be putting joints in any cable in the service voids of kitchen units as they wont be accessable for maintainance...
another way of doing this would be to use a suitably rated joint box under the cupboard...like behind the kickboard....but if that is not possible then joint the existing cooker cable into a DP switch in a cupboard....then from there onto the cooker.....
but whoever thinks that just to crimp and bury into the wall....or start hiding joints in service voids is no better than kev kitchen or barry bathroom fitter or sommat like that.....and should reconsider their trade....

Don't agree with you at all, nothing wrong with a proper crimped connection buried in plaster, its not a bodge if done properly.

 

[Engineer54]

Don't agree with you at all, nothing wrong with a proper crimped connection buried in plaster, its not a bodge if done properly.

So your saying, that would be a professional finished job are you??

Going from what's been stated so far in this thread, the best suggestions so far, is moving the existing CCU back box behind the planned wall unit, so that the whole thing is out of harms way!! Either that or making any necessary extension joint above the ceiling, them come away from the joint to the new cooker point position.....

Crimped joints are deemed as maintenance free joints/terminations, so do not need to be accessible. But a trap cut into the floorboard above the joint, could make the joint accessible...

Let's hope your electrician isn't a Electrical Trainee DI ...lol!!

 

[odawire]

So your saying, that would be a professional finished job are you??

Going from what's been stated so far in this thread, the best suggestion so far is moving the existing back box behind the planned wall unit, so that the whole thing is out of harms way!! Either that or making any necessary joint above the ceiling.

There's a multitude of ways the job could be done, there was an insinuation that to crimp and bury was a cowboys trick, which is total BS. I would be perfectly happy with it, can you give a reason why it would not be satisfactory?

 

[Octopus]

There's a multitude of ways the job could be done, there was an insinuation that to crimp and bury was a cowboys trick, which is total BS. I would be perfectly happy with it, can you give a reason why it would not be satisfactory?

Possibly because once its burried/plastered over, there might not be ANY indication of the cabl in such a position.

 

[Engineer54]

There's a multitude of ways the job could be done, there was an insinuation that to crimp and bury was a cowboys trick, which is total BS. I would be perfectly happy with it, can you give a reason why it would not be satisfactory?

That's you isn't it, but i'll ask you again would you consider an in-line joint plastered over in a wall, as being a professionally finished job?? I'm not particularly concerned whether it's acceptable or not, ....it's not in my book!! As i'm sure it's not in many of the more professional electricians here!!

 

[KAS1]

I've even known some sparks to crimp cables that are two short to reach their final destination and "loose them" inside a conduit run, then argue that there's nothing wrong with it as long as they're crimped correctly lol

 

[DPG]

I've even known some sparks to crimp cables that are two short to reach their final destination and "loose them" inside a conduit run, then argue that there's nothing wrong with it as long as they're crimped correctly lol

Out of interest, what is wrong with a crimped and sleeved joint inside conduit? Daz