Cooker switch with 13A socket without RCD

[house]

I understand under the latest regs an integrated cooker switch / 13A socket needs to be on the RCD protected side of the consumer unit.

My question is hopefully a simple one - was it ever permissable for the this switch to be connected on the unprotected side of the consumer unit?

Thanks very much!

 

[Guest123]

Hi.

Under the 16th edition, yes.

It was RCD protection only for "socket outlets likely to supply equipment outdoors"

 

[Mac]

When i done my 17th my tutor said that cooker points don't need to be RCD protected.If it has a socket on it and you can plug anything into it,shouldn't it be RCD protected?Possibly up to the individual at the end of the day

 

[Guest123]

You should also consider the cable supplying the cooker point now.

It seems we can no longer sneeze without an RCD to protect us.

 

[Mac]

You should also consider the cable supplying the cooker point now.

It seems we can no longer sneeze without an RCD to protect us.

Agree.17th ed boards say it all.Everything RCD protected today.Better to be safe than sorry

 

[house]

Thanks for speedy replies!

So for an existing 16th edition installation there is nothing wrong with having the combined oven switch and 13A socket supplied in this way.....

 

[Guest123]

Nope.

But the 17th is a whole different ball game.

 

[COLLY]

Thing about the 17 you will be called out everytime a bulb blows to reset rcbos how do you charge for that and what about 3 phase should it not be protected more than it is

 

[xraytek]

Thing about the 17 you will be called out everytime a bulb blows to reset rcbos how do you charge for that and what about 3 phase should it not be protected more than it is

Hi Colly,
The reason 17th boards have all circuits RCD protected is mainly due to 522.6.7
Unlike commercial/industrial installations homes are considered as not being under supervision of a skilled person. As you cannot confirm cable depth in walls then RCD,s are now required in domestic installations.
Under 17th all socket outlets need to be RCD protected whereas 16th only required it when supplying equipment outdoors.
411.3.3 does give exceptions to installations under skilled supervision although it doesnt allow exceptions for sockets supplying equipment outdoors.
Hope that makes sense.
Regards

 

[Graeme Harrold]

Hi Colly,
The reason 17th boards have all circuits RCD protected is mainly due to 522.6.7
Unlike commercial/industrial installations homes are considered as not being under supervision of a skilled person. As you cannot confirm cable depth in walls then RCD,s are now required in domestic installations.
Under 17th all socket outlets need to be RCD protected whereas 16th only required it when supplying equipment outdoors.
411.3.3 does give exceptions to installations under skilled supervision although it doesnt allow exceptions for sockets supplying equipment outdoors.
Hope that makes sense.
Regards

Found that bit of the regs a bit funny.......how do you prove your customer is a skilled person, give them a pre-installation 20 question tick test?????

 

[michaelw6]

At the end of the day my motto is if in doupt put an rcbo on it.
Like its been said the 17th edition is all about rcd protection you just need some diversity.
I would put a cooker point with a socket on it on an rcd 1 because its a socket and two because its down stairs and can be used outside with a lead.
Just Cover your back mate you should be ok.
Good luck.

 

[colinhills]

have to go with the safety side of things and going with the regs and rcd the circuit

 

[scotsparky]

does that mean any spark here does not need RCDs in there house as they are skilled persons. There fammily would be Instructed persons.

 

[Guest123]

Guys, this chap isn't doing any electrical work all he asked was if under the 16th ed a CCU with socket outlet needed RCD protection.

 

[Moog]

Why not just put a "not for general use" sticker on the socket outlet and plug the fridge into it, making the circuit 17th compliant. see 411.3.3 exception b