Could This Be A Fused Neutral?

[SparkyMcsparkface]

Hi, came across this today, double width cutout, never seen it before. Not sure if it could be fused on the neutral or whether I am worrying with no need. Any advice appreciated. (Haven't pulled the cutout obviously, even though it isn't sealed - I have a feeling it might be too stiff to pull out anyway, maybe....)

 

[SparkyMcsparkface]

(What I'd really mostly like by the way is input from the experience of others about whether there is any real probability of this being a fused neutral, that may be the quickest way to put this to bed, cheers.)

 

[7029 dave]

....and with a form factor I've not seen before that I am concerned from might contain a fused neutral. I suppose the question is whether it's an "apparent deficiency" or not (ref the notes on the condition report for the person producing it).

Dave, agree it can only be a visual check....but let's say that visual check showed a cracked fuseholder and exposed live parts, we wouldn't hesitate to code that C1, right? So it's reasonable to code the supply head based on the visual check?

No, if you found that situation, a call to the DNO would be the way forward, it would be an cat A exposed live parts, they would be out in 3hrs. So how could you give THE installation unsatisfactory.? As I said it is not part of your remit.

 

[Octopus]

I think all my reports from now on will state outgoing meter tails is the start of the installation to avoid such fiascos

Your client could lose their sale because of the iet inability to write the regs properly which is unacceptable imho

 

[SparkyMcsparkface]

Dave, again I come back to the point that box 1.2 "Condition of service head" is there to be filled in with one of the designated outcomes.

 

[Octopus]

The condition of the service head, looking at your photo, looks ok to me.... It's not damaged.

 

[7029 dave]

Dave, again I come back to the point that box 1.2 "Condition of service head" is there to be filled in with one of the designated outcomes.

Okay, so fill in the box, with your finding on the DNO equipment, code it, C1 fair enough, but by the time you filled out the report and sent it to your client , it would have been rectified .They have to respond within 3hrs. Still unsatisfactory.? I am afraid will have to agree to disagree.

 

[SparkyMcsparkface]

We can't take condition to mean the overall state of the thing, so to speak?

 

[SparkyMcsparkface]

I don't want to agree to disagree, I want to discuss this to a conclusion based on reasoned argument and evidence, I would be delighted to be able to agree with you and be able to say why.

So if I could fill it out as a C1 for a C1, then why not fill it out as an FI for an FI?

 

[Octopus]

Why not. We look at accessories such as sockets and switches.

 

[Deleted member 70522]

I've come across a few of these, and the neutral is most likely to be a solid link - I've only ever found a single fuse in them. I suspect they were manufactured when DC supplies were still around but getting less common, so that electricity undertakings could buy in bulk and then add in a second fuselink if being used on a supply that was still DC. They never seem to be sealed!

 

[davesparks]

There is something in the refs which addresses the subject of section 1 of the inspections. I think it explains that problems found with DNO equipment need to be raised with the DNO but don't necessarily need to affect the outcome of the report.
I can't look it up now as I'm in the Hardressers having my hair done!

As far as your concerns about the cutout go, that may have had a fuse in the neutral when first fitted but that should have been replaced with a solid link. What you should do if you have a concern is contact the DNO and get them to take it from there.
I would be far more interested in what looks to be bs951 clamps on the pilc, but again that's for the DNO to fix.

 

[westward10]

I would comment on the adjustable earth clamps on the supply cables.
Beat me to it Dave.

 

[HandySparks]

... I'm in the Hardressers ...

... which is where the hard men go to get their hair cut.

 

[davesparks]

... which is where the hard men go to get their hair cut.

I wouldn't know about that, i don't have it cut.....

...I was only having my roots dyed

 

[westward10]

What colour.