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KAS1
I think I may of sent you off site a time or two lol
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Engineer54
Haha, ... only in your wildest dreams!! lol!!
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Darkwood
Its cheaper to have screw terminals and cheaper to produce solid drawn as opposed to stranded, i agree fully that screw terminals have many issues and as long as they are accepted they will rule the roost as termination method on accessories... im not the best fan of them but in most cases you dont have the choice but to use them, some things aint gonna change any time soon, but i would say connectors should be regulated better as alot of cheap crap out there that premotes poor termination due to design flaws.
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Darkwood
He's your old boss E54 lol ..... :smartass2:
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Engineer54
Doubt it, he's not old enough, never worked overseas and isn't a Project Manager lol!! Basically he's just deluding himself!! lol!!
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KAS1
Could as they say be " a small world" one never knows who is on these forums, I've been using my grandad's laptop all day
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Engineer54
See, we do agree most of the time...lol!!
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Octopus
Yawn,......
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Big n Daft
KAS1, your right you never who your talking to:wink5:.
A better man than me to question Engy's knowledge or quals, crack on fella. This could be interesting.
Pass the 'corn Sparty........................
A better man than me to question Engy's knowledge or quals, crack on fella. This could be interesting.
Pass the 'corn Sparty........................
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vaughant
Is there actually anything in the regs that says you can't solder? I soldered my kitchen ring in as the missus decided she wanted a socket location moved and I saw it as the only option.
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KAS1
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brman
Sorry? 526 says you cannot solder conductors together? which bit is that then?
the only restrictions on soldering I can see relate to multiwire, fine and very fine wire conductors.............
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Darkwood
Regs regarding solder joints section 526... (where a soldered connection is used the design shall take account of creep, mechanical stress and temp' rise under fault conditions)
To note! you will have to have indepth knowledge of the solder characteristics you use and understand what the expected temp' rise would be under a fault condition and that this wont effect the soldered joint as the other points above, i assume this is solid core... if stranded or fine wire then further regs cover this 526.8
If you have buried this joint i assume the approriate insulation heat shrink was used over the joint and an appropriate environmental heat shrink sleeve over the whole joint with moisture barrier included.
To note! you will have to have indepth knowledge of the solder characteristics you use and understand what the expected temp' rise would be under a fault condition and that this wont effect the soldered joint as the other points above, i assume this is solid core... if stranded or fine wire then further regs cover this 526.8
If you have buried this joint i assume the approriate insulation heat shrink was used over the joint and an appropriate environmental heat shrink sleeve over the whole joint with moisture barrier included.
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brman
that isn't really any different to any other joint though is it? it hardly says don't use one, just use it sensibly.......
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KAS1
Sorry you only said solder, now you say solder conductors together which is it you know you have to be word perfect on here, I did say your case sounds good indicating it was fine on the old T&E stuff lol
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KAS1
It's a world of difference my old son lol
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Darkwood
Never said it dosn't allow its use just hi-lighting the areas that would effect him, i do control systems for machinery and any failures of joints etc can be costly so im used to ensuring correct solder is used etc or any joints of any methods of connection is reliable, ive seen many failures in past from those alledged to be qualified not really thinking about the job in hand, ive seen solder joints fail just because the incorrect solder was used ... you be supprised how many ppl use plumbers solder and expect it to be ok but as long as hes used a recognised Electrical solder for LV joints hell be fine.
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brman
Ah right, I wondered what the "your case sounds good" bit meant. Didn't realise this was an argument for the sake of arguing. Hang on, I need a couple of beers before I come back :lol:
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brman
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brman
can't argue with that but that definitely fits in my "use it sensibly" category :lol:
EDIT: which btw is my take on crimping.............
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KAS1
I wonder if he's finished the temp/perm joint in the CU yet lol
Reading all this crap, hes probably got a plumber to do it for him.lol
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KAS1
or a part P kitchen fitter
Kas1 so what's your point?
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vaughant
Yes the joints were soldered using the correct solder,heat shrinked individual cores,heat shrinked over the t&e and then insulated taped as well to provide a perfect joint.
I yanked them like mad(which is a technical term) and they didn't come off so I think it'll be ok.
I don't much domestic as you can probably see!!!
I yanked them like mad(which is a technical term) and they didn't come off so I think it'll be ok.
I don't much domestic as you can probably see!!!
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Darkwood
If this thread gets any longer the first post will be repeated on DAVE anytime soon :smartass2:
Wago's have got to be the next best thing to sliced bread in my opinion.
Over here in France we can have junction boxes that can take over an hour to cable up using connector blocks, with Wago's you are talking about a 10th of the time, and when time is money, it does not take a lot of working out what one wins.
Over here in France we can have junction boxes that can take over an hour to cable up using connector blocks, with Wago's you are talking about a 10th of the time, and when time is money, it does not take a lot of working out what one wins.
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Bobster
Jesus Christ!
I know they've stopped teaching how to solder joints but I didn't realise they were teaching that they are against regs.
Yes a bad solder joint is a bad joint but so is any form of connection done wrongly.
I know they've stopped teaching how to solder joints but I didn't realise they were teaching that they are against regs.
Yes a bad solder joint is a bad joint but so is any form of connection done wrongly.
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Edd
So You rewire a lighting circuit. Pull your nice new Twin and Earth through an old conduit system,,, strip it back, Connect the line and switch line. and sleave the Earth!!!!
Crap no earth lug!! Ok I just wrap it around a screw!!! Or do i use a nice red lug crimp and then tap the box.
If you answered Wrap it then shame on you,, seen this type of thing come off many times...
If you said crimp a nice red lug on the "solid core" then Im with you its a much more Professional joint and less likely to come off.
Crap no earth lug!! Ok I just wrap it around a screw!!! Or do i use a nice red lug crimp and then tap the box.
If you answered Wrap it then shame on you,, seen this type of thing come off many times...
If you said crimp a nice red lug on the "solid core" then Im with you its a much more Professional joint and less likely to come off.
zap
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Thanks Trev, intuitively, that's what I had done.
zap
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Hi Guys,
I got the following response from a retailer. The datasheet (link) says they're okay for solid conductors.
The splices suitable for solid cores are SV1525, and are uninsulated. See Butt-connector, copper 1.5 - 50 mm² for further info.
I got the following response from a retailer. The datasheet (link) says they're okay for solid conductors.
The splices suitable for solid cores are SV1525, and are uninsulated. See Butt-connector, copper 1.5 - 50 mm² for further info.
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Darkwood
Id say always make sure your prepared for job in hand.. the preferredmethod here would be a cup and washer which was designed for solid core i have a tub of them and wouldn't crimp a lug unless stranded i also agree just wrapping it around isnt effective ... it might seem im just been picky here but the earth crimp as any other must also be able to withstand in some cases 1000's of amps in a short circuit and this is where the failures have been seen when manufacturers test there crimps to destruction...
Zap has provided an excellent example of a butt crimp that has been designed for solid core cable and for this crimp you would need a different ratchet crimper than you are used to with standard red/blu/yellow lugs or butt crimps.
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KAS1
That is a perfect way to explain the crimps situation well done
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