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i have had several dealings with this kind of customer. what you have been contracted to do is on your cert,and that is the end of it. the guy is trying to bully you into doing or paying for work which is not your resposibility, as i said, call his bluff, don't let him get the better of you. like i said, threaten to sue him for defamation, libel, and so forth. if in doubt, seek advice from a solicitor, but, from what you have said, he ain't got as leg to stand on.
 
This fella (or his misus) is trying to get some cash out of you.
As previously said an EIC is not a gaurantee.
The fact is if you had put the limitations of your test in the Extent of Installation box this chancer would have had no comeback.
This aside, when he told you he held you responsible for the heating not working you should have told him this was not possible as you had not touched them. END OF DISCUSION!!!
By rewiring the heating controls you have now made yourself liable for them.
 
Chris

Get all your facts written down on a piece of and put it to one side and get on with your business and if you get an LBA then act on it.
 
This fella (or his misus) is trying to get some cash out of you.
As previously said an EIC is not a gaurantee.
The fact is if you had put the limitations of your test in the Extent of Installation box this chancer would have had no comeback.
This aside, when he told you he held you responsible for the heating not working you should have told him this was not possible as you had not touched them. END OF DISCUSION!!!
By rewiring the heating controls you have now made yourself liable for them.
but he's not charged for doing the heating, so he has not touched it!!!
 
Customers like this are a real pain in the a**e. I think most of us have been in this position at one time or another. They automatically assume that because some work has been done all other faults must be your fault. Personally I would write to him telling him what the EIC covered, and explain what you are responsible for. Then give him copy of this, tell him you have done enough and future remedial works will result in him being charged.

http://www.esc.org.uk/pdfs/business-and-community/electrical-industry/BPG6_09.pdf
 
why oh why is there not a TV consumer programme " rogue customers" name and shame the freeloaders that try and get work done for nothing?
 
Customers like this are a real pain in the a**e. I think most of us have been in this position at one time or another. They automatically assume that because some work has been done all other faults must be your fault. Personally I would write to him telling him what the EIC covered, and explain what you are responsible for. Then give him copy of this, tell him you have done enough and future remedial works will result in him being charged.

http://www.esc.org.uk/pdfs/business-and-community/electrical-industry/BPG6_09.pdf

Sounds like a plan!
You sound like you're certain you haven't caused the fault so I'd go along with ian.
 
Don't they still have those free legal advice bureau places in the UK? (or did Thatcher zero in on them?)

If it sounds like it's turning nasty I would cease discussions with him unless you're prepared to pay his price.
I would catalogue all the events between first setting foot on his premises up to today. You need times, dates, what was done or said, list of others who were present and witnesses, include all corespondence email, telephonic and verbal.......Then, once your ducks are in a row, wait for his next move. If it becomes a legal issue, grit your teeth and approach a lawyer. (try find one that doesn't charge like a wounded rhino)

Good Luck.
 
Thanks for all your help guys, I have told him that I want nothing to do with him any more. I have told him what the EIC covers and that it is not a gaurantee (he thinks that because it gives a date as to when the installation is to be inspected then the current cert is a gaurentee until that day and that everything is covered by me as an insurance) i say WTF!!!.
 
just dont worry about it thats the main thing.........................step back, take a breath, like everybody has said, u fitted board, tested ccts, all ok and EIC shows this. Leave it at that, ignore his calls etc until u either get a letter from a solicitor or building control. only then act upon this...............................and let it be a lesson that a favour for a family friend is the most expensive lesson any spark will ever learn.....................always get ur terms and conditions signed.......................dont ever do favours either...................even family can stab u in the back, let me tell u. Relish in the fact u found out u are gonna be a dad, worse things happen at sea and as the last spark and so called plumber touched the installation last, it has been altered since u issued the cert, and if he has no eveidense that it was not their actions then he is ----ing in the wind in trying to convince anybody that it was ur fault!
 
sound advice there from pablo. do nothing... let him try to take it further.... i've been in similar situations, had trading standards involved.... stood my ground..... never lost out. if you are in the right, as it seems you are, then as the yanks say " give him the bum's rush"
 
Thats exactly what i keep trying to say to him but he wont have it. even my plumber friend said to me, even if you did wire up the controls wrong it still wouldn't do the fault that he is describing to me.

Chris

Ultimately, mate, he's the customer, and YOU are the expert. He's not the one that went to college, and he isn't the one signing off the cert.

This "friend" - is, frankly, a leach, and an idiot. So is this invisible electrician of his.

The EIC you issued is not a guarantee - those would be in the terms and conditions you supplied (?) when quoting and doing the work. Except, I'm willing to bet you didn't. No matter, even with cash jobs, and jobs with nothing written down, you still have something called "implied" terms.

Implied terms are what any judge would use to decide who'd screwed who over too, in the absence of fair written terms.

Essentially, the criteria is this: Your customer is entitled to, and you are expected to provide, work of a standard equivalent to the average industry level for that task, at a reasonable cost for that work.

It seems from what you have said, that these terms were initially met. You did the work, issued the cert, took the money. That's what the contract, albeit verbal, expected, and delivered.

In law, your "customer" doesn't have a leg to stand on, for several reasons. So your recourse is to push him to make a bigger idiot of himself and spend the money finding that out.

What you don't do, is panic, and you don't get wound up. That's him winning.

What you do, is as others have said, write down
(a) the original job,
(b) date it was done,
(c) date cert issued and any number
(d) Price Charged
(e) Date customer paid you

Then you write down date of first complaint, action you took. Second complaint, action you took, and so on til you have it all covered.

Then you write this idiot a letter.

In it, you attach a copy of the above.

Essentially, you tell this guy that you attended and did the job you were paid to do. Upon his notification of a fault with the boiler, you attended out of goodwill, as a gesture to see if you could help, although the heating system was in no way within the remit of your work. You explain briefly that testing stopped at the fused spur, or socket the boiler is connected to, and as such, the boiler was not, and never would have been, part of any EIC as it does not form part of the fixed wiring.

You then write that you replaced the heating controls (Primary PCB?) part number, obtained from, on date, for which you would normally have charged £---.xx. On this occasion, you did not charge, as part of that goodwill gesture.

Then, you make it clear that you have gone way beyond the remit of the original job, in an attempt to satisfy the customer, that you are disappointed he is unhappy with the work he has had done, and point out to him that he is free to have independent inspections carried out on the work you charged him for, the results of which you stand by.

Finally, you make it clear that you consider the matter closed, but that if he wishes to pursue his claim in court, then you will defend yourself with the fact of the matter, and will counter claim for the cost of the extra visits and the control board, plus time and costs for the extra administration and the claim.

All good if he goes away at this point, and equally so if he doesn't - I don't think the courts will find against you, and he will have to pay costs too in that case.

Above all, don't stress, and don't be swayed by his bluff - because that's what it is. He's taking advantage of your inexperience, pal. That's all.
 

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