Different Testing Courses

[Badged01]

Ding, ding round XX ........

 

[Andy78]

Blimey guys, just book a hotel room and get it over with

Just to divert slightly, what the heck is the 2392 ?

 

[D Skelton]

How do you find this sort of thing out? I always thought the 2391 had low pass rate and knew quite a few who took a few attempts or who gave up. On the other hand I don't know anyone who has failed the latter. I know that means nothing was just after some stats to compare if that info is avaliable.

By comparing national average pass marks in chief examiners reports. Also by taking both exams and seeing for yourself if they are the same or not. I have, and in my experience, I can say that the new 2394 and 2395 easily meet the standard of the old 2391.

 

[D Skelton]

Just to divert slightly, what the heck is the 2392 ?

The old level 2 initial verification certificate.

 

[Engineer54]

Haha, you just can't let go can you!?

I stand 100% by what I say! Makes no difference whether or not you need a calculator or not to work out sums, just as long as you know why you are doing so then as an electrician, that's all that matters! Of course they give you an advantage, I'm not denying that, but that advantage is time!

Oh BTW, a Fact for you, ....They manufacture and sell more computers NOW, than at anytime in the past, and the numbers are still Growing!! So that kinda makes your fact irrelevant lol.

Maybe for you and I etc, ....but i'm still not convinced when it comes to today's youth. Who i think will struggle big time without a calculator!!


NO not really, in fact not at all. It's just you altering the goal posts as you go. Or do they allow laptops or tablets into examination rooms now?? NO...?? well i guess it's your statement that's irrelavent then... lol!!

 

[Engineer54]

By comparing national average pass marks in chief examiners reports. Also by taking both exams and seeing for yourself if they are the same or not. I have, and in my experience, I can say that the new 2394 and 2395 easily meet the standard of the old 2391.

Why would anyone take an equivalent course of a qualification you already hold, ....What's the point in that?? Sorry i just can't get my head round that one at all!! Why would you not invest that not inconsiderable amount of money in a far more useful qualification such as the 2396 design & verification course??

 

[D Skelton]

Maybe for you and I etc, ....but i'm still not convinced when it comes to today's youth. Who i think will struggle big time without a calculator!!

Of course they'd struggle without a calculator, but by the same token, the youth of today would struggle without power steering in their cars! Does that make them worse drivers than those who grew up driving cars without power steering? No!

NO not really, in fact not at all. It's just you altering the goal posts as you go. Or do they allow laptops or tablets into examination rooms now?? NO...?? well i guess it's your statement that's irrelavent then... lol!!

Hang on a minute here! You weren't talking about the manufacture of paper and pencils for exam situations, you were talking about in general, and so was I, so I'm not moving the goalposts one bit! For the record, no, they don't allow laptops or tablets into exams, but they do allow word processors! So if you want to type instead of write, you have the choice!


I'll ask again; what is it about writing out a sum on paper rather than using a calculator that makes you so damn better??? The process is exactly the same!

Man writes down two numbers on piece of paper
Man squiggles down a few lines and manipulates those two numbers
Man arrives at answer


Man types down two numbers on calculator
Calculator throws a few electrons around and manipulates those two numbers
Calculator arrives at answer

 

[D Skelton]

Why would anyone take an equivalent course of a qualification you already hold, ....What's the point in that?? Sorry i just can't get my head round that one at all!! Why would you not invest that not inconsiderable amount of money in a far more useful qualification such as the 2396 design & verification course??

Because it was as near as makes no difference free for me to do so, and at some point I see myself maybe doing some sessional lecturing so having the up to date qualification might help? I only did the exams for the 2394 and 2395, not the whole course.

I have already invested my money in the 2396, I start it in April.

 

[Engineer54]

Of course they'd struggle without a calculator, but by the same token, the youth of today would struggle without power steering in their cars! Does that make them worse drivers than those who grew up driving cars without power steering? No!



Hang on a minute here! You weren't talking about the manufacture of paper and pencils for exam situations, you were talking about in general, and so was I, so I'm not moving the goalposts one bit! For the record, no, they don't allow laptops or tablets into exams, but they do allow word processors! So if you want to type instead of write, you have the choice!

I was simply replying to another of you're irrelavent statements...lol!! eg.... ''Pencil and paper got replaced by the computer a few years back. Get over it mate lol''


I'll ask again; what is it about writing out a sum on paper rather than using a calculator that makes you so damn better??? The process is exactly the same!

Jesus, how many more times, .....that's ''Fine'' if you have been taught throughout your school years to write things out on paper, ...NOT so fine when you Haven't!!!

Man writes down two numbers on piece of paper
Man squiggles down a few lines and manipulates those two numbers
Man arrives at answer


Man types down two numbers on calculator
Calculator throws a few electrons around and manipulates those two numbers
Calculator arrives at answer

The first example MAN has to think for himself, the second example MAN leaves it all to the electrons to do the thinking for him. Thanks, that explains very well what i've been saying all along!!

 

[D Skelton]

The first example MAN has to think for himself, the second example MAN leaves it all to the electrons to do the thinking for him. Thanks, that explains very well what i've been saying all along!!

No he doesn't, it's an automated process whether by brain or by calculator!

The whole point of using pencil and paper is to make the calculation easier than using your head! The same applies to a bleeding calculator! lol

 

[Engineer54]

Because it was as near as makes no difference free for me to do so, and at some point I see myself maybe doing some sessional lecturing so having the up to date qualification might help? I only did the exams for the 2394 and 2395, not the whole course.

I have already invested my money in the 2396, I start it in April.

So are you going to sit the new 2364/65 Lv 3 exams too, working on same basis as above??

 

[Engineer54]

No he doesn't, it's an automated process whether by brain or by calculator!

The whole point of using pencil and paper is to make the calculation easier than using your head! The same applies to a bleeding calculator! lol

Yeah right!! I give up, .....your not seeing the wood for the tree's!! lol!!

 

[D Skelton]

So are you going to sit the new 2364/65 Lv 3 exams too, working on same basis as above??

2364??? What's that?

If by that you mean the new core qual then no, because the time and money I'd have to invest wouldn't make it economically viable for me to do?!

Anyway, what does it matter to you whether or not I choose to sit the new style exams for the T&I qualification? It just makes me more able to point out to a student at some point in the future the difference between the old and the new and the different ways in which I think that they should prepare.

Does it make me more qualified? No. But it does make me more informed. That is the only reason why I did it. If in ten years time they completely re-vamp the whole level 4 design course and do something completely different to it, I might look at doing that again too, it all depends on my situation at the time and the direction in which I'm heading.

 

[D Skelton]

Yeah right!! I give up, .....your not seeing the wood for the tree's!! lol!!

You give up because your argument is fundamentally flawed! Using a pencil and paper breaks down the calculation into a process which makes it easier to complete. A calculator does exactly the same thing but quicker!

I get why you're upset about it, you're just old and bitter because new technology is taking over from old school methods. Don't worry grandpa, it aint all bad! Just think, if it weren't for technology where would we be without RCDs!? HAHAHA

 

[Engineer54]

You give up because your argument is fundamentally flawed! Using a pencil and paper breaks down the calculation into a process which makes it easier to complete. A calculator does exactly the same thing but quicker!

I get why you're upset about it, you're just old and bitter because new technology is taking over from old school methods. Don't worry grandpa, it aint all bad! Just think, if it weren't for technology where would we be without RCDs!? HAHAHA

Not me, i give up because i just can't be arsed with the rubbish being spouted here!!

Me bitter, No, ..Sad maybe, that the UK's Electrical industry has been allowed to reach such low's, by the so-called young up and coming bucks!! But then i'm quite lucky, in that I don't have be around to see it!!

As for new technology, fine if it helps you digest and understand, not so fine if it's just a device to spurt out facts & figures... As for RCD's, ...Well we are still all here, after living for the majority of our lives without an RCD in sight...