DIY enthusiasts and electrical work.

[Pete999]

Probably a well thought and commonly discussed subject. I know the Forum has a DIY section, and has a policy of not offering step by step advice on how to do various electrical work, a good policy in my book, and I think many, if not all Electricians would agree with.

However this policy does not deter many DIYers and people who think they are Electricians from asking questions in very suspicious ways on "how do I do this that or the other, or I have been to B&Q and bought this and that, how would you do so and so.

It's difficult at times to explain to these people, that it's a dangerous thing to try and help without being off hand, and sometimes, when they won't or can't understand why you are reluctant to help, why won't you help the Guy in B&Q sold me this stuff and said it was easy as he was an Electrician because he had done a meaningless course, and he is now qualified as an Electrician.

With all the hype of Part P etc, do you not think the problem lies with the Government, the CPSchemes or who, I do realist that the likes of B&Q, Srewfix etc are a Godsend on a weekend or Bank Holiday when someone calls you up with a problem, and these are just a couple of outlets whereby you can get materials at short notice.

Where do you think the answer lies? should there be a ban on outlets like the two I have mentioned from selling electrical installation products to the public, should these outlets Police the selling of these products to qualified people, restrict selling this gear to the Trade areas, it would be interesting to share your thoughts, without prejudice, and I do realise this subject has been through the mill many times, the main reason I posted is that I was at B&Q the other day getting my tool fix, and happened to pass through the Electrical bit, and being a nosy git, I got speaking to this Bloke who was after some cable and sockets to wire his new extension, and found the price the Sparky was quoting far to high and as it was only a couple sockets he would do it himself, so why was he asking advice? where or who dose the problem lie with? Sorry for the long winded ramble.

 

[telectrix]

I'm dreading retiring

then don't . i haven't and doubt i will fully retire.

 

[telectrix]

Why cuz of my post?

think it's coz he'll get roped into DIY.

 

[solarsavings]

No Pete, It's because in a few years I'm going to be retired and as was pointed out by TWC, I already spend too long on forums as it is.
Anyway, I should be tucked up in bed with the day I've just had.

 

[The Ghost]

With online outlets for electrical accessories it would be impossible to ban sale of them just at the two big outlets and would be unfair trading restrictions. I think the statutes and such are sufficient but the will to prosecute is not there. It is almost impossible to find such infractions of the law. Maybe they should have a notice to the building control when people are buying stuff that could infringe the law if they are buying/fitting it?

 

[markc123]

Don’t have a problem with have-ago-hero’s myself. If they want to tinker with electrical work and potentially cause injury / extensive damage to persons or property - let them. Common sense tells you when you’re out of your depth, and if you’re still going to tinker you deserve a belt.

And, when they do cause stuff the proper electricians get the dosh for sorting situations out.

What I don’t agree with is how quick and easily
It is to become and electrician these days, so many people call themselves electricians and don’t even know how to lift a floor board. The scams have ALOT to answer for allowing such people into the industry.

 

[Octopus]

I'm dreading retiring

Are you scared you will turn onto Pete999 mk 2?

 

[Octopus]

It is to become and electrician these days, so many people call themselves electricians and don’t even know how to lift a floor board. The scams have ALOT to answer for allowing such people into the industry.

Very true ............ a broad knowledge of all types of construction methods plus a broad understanding of all the other trades and all the building regs is required ........... not things you can learn overnight

I was in a builders "team" meeting today and he asked who had read any of the building regs in the last 12 months - I was the only 1 to put up my hand - the most recent one I read was about the changes to heating systems ..........

 

[telectrix]

Very true ............ a broad knowledge of all types of construction methods plus a broad understanding of all the other trades and all the building regs is required ........... not things you can learn overnight

I was in a builders "team" meeting today and he asked who had read any of the building regs in the last 12 months - I was the only 1 to put up my hand - the most recent one I read was about the changes to heating systems ..........

SWOT !.

 

[Marvo]

From the forum side of things it's a damned if you do and damned if you don't thing. Allowing DIY'ers to use the forum keeps the place interesting and diverse; it can get a bit stagnent when it's only acomplished professionals posting on a forum. We try to strike a happy medium by not allowing step by step guides and closing threads that are reported as people attempting things that are sounding unsafe. Assisting DIY'ers is also entirely voluntary and not incentivised as such by the forum.

Also I've learned over the years that some of the most lame opening posts can surprisingly turn into some of the most informative and well debated threads.

As for stopping retailers, I think the internet makes that a moot point, in fact it maybe better to have them purchase at a local retailer that's bound by law to sell stuff that's fit for purpose rather than driving them towards the cheap tat on EBay.

 

[gazdkw82]

I think part of the problem is the information they give on the packaging for these products. So for example, 6mm t+e, its printed on the front (suitable for shower/cooker)..,.,.any non electrician would not need this bit of information as they know how to design a circuit. A DIYer finds this information as a green pass to have a go. "Well if BnQ have listed as good enough for my shower and they also sell a MCB to suit then it's fine"

I think I Australia it's illegal to undertake electrical work if your not an electrician. I'd love that to be the case here but its not going to happen

 

[Pete999]

Very true ............ a broad knowledge of all types of construction methods plus a broad understanding of all the other trades and all the building regs is required ........... not things you can learn overnight

I was in a builders "team" meeting today and he asked who had read any of the building regs in the last 12 months - I was the only 1 to put up my hand - the most recent one I read was about the changes to heating systems ..........

Teachers Pet

 

[littlespark]

Having worked in the holiday leisure industry, there are a few gas related things that crop up.
For lpg, engineers need to be Gas Safe first, then specialise in lpg before working on the pipe work..... but anyone can buy an lpg bbq or caravan and purchase gas bottles, connect them, work on the hoses and fit regulators.

I was told by a Gas Safe engineer that I couldn’t change a gas cylinder for a customer if there was only one cylinder or if there was no gas at all. It was seen as interrupting the supply and introducing gas back into the system.
We were allowed to change cylinders if there was 2 or more in an automatic changeover valve. The gas supply wasn’t being interrupted as the spare had taken over.

I think part of it is the presumed danger. A cock up with electrics is dangerous to the family in a house..... A faulty gas installation could be dangerous to several neighbours property’s as well.

 

[pirate]

Nice to see a "balanced" thread on this topic...some for, some against.
I'm DIY, as you will know, but have renovated a number of properties and it is true that you need knowledge, built up over time, of other trades' work. However, the number of bodged installations of simple electrical stuff and also plumbing stuff is incredible. Why, oh why, do wet pants not tighten things? Why do they install in an empty property then go home, leaving the water on? Why do they install gate valves (UGH!) ostensibly so you can isolate the supply to, say, a bath, but place them out of reach? So, my point is that at my age I have some experience...the most important factor of which is knowing when a job is outwith my capability. I can swap like for like, but if that unearths (no pun intended) a problem, it's time to get someone in. Thus, I consider myself a reasonably competent DIY bloke, but anything I don't know, I get someone who does. I just love learning, I guess, and the advice on here has highlighted how little I know many times, and I am happy to accept that advice.
However, apart from gas boilers, how difficult is it to join some pipes together? Not! But with push-fit, everyone's a plumber, these days. Maybe it's the same with electrics? Push-fits, Wagos, all of these are meant to make life easier, faster, cheaper...but only if the installer knows what he/she is doing. I've got little or no time for "builders" or plumbers...been stung too often...that's why I DIY...but you electricians? Well, that's a whole different class, and rightly so.
My most exciting thing this week was a text from Mrs Pirate to say my buckle-clips had arrived! Almost can't wait to get back to UK to use them...almost! But looking forward to them anyway, so how sad is that? LOL!

 

[Squid]

Whow sad is that? LOL!

Very ;o))))

I do my own electrics, I do plumbing with solder joints and can clear an airlock in a gravity fed system, some chippy work, sh!te at plastering though and have errrrr dabbled with gas pipe work and have repaired my own boilers....... I also work on cars and bikes......... and I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay............

 

[pirate]

sleep all night, work all day?
wear women's clothing?
Way to go SWD!