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one option is just to limit the amount of instruction given to the DIYers as people have been doing in other posts. . Yes im a qualified mechanic but I also do DIY electrics, nothing major though. We can't control what people believe is out of their depth.. I know my limits on electrics, but cars etc no problem !
just remember - people don't have common sense these days . . .
 
Best thing would be for no one to give practical advice to DIYers.

I'll agree to disagree entirely, that OP isn't capable, however he has been warned and better to be corrected on what he needs, than be given no information and ends up sticking a cooker on a lightswitch and burning the house down....He has been told....if he wants to ignore it, then its his own lookout...some people will either never pay for an electrician or will only do so when they realise they are wholly out of their depth......
 
The DIY section should only be used for jobs which most would deem "DIY-able", such as "What are these LED bulb thingies, and where can I use them?"
 
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I for one will not go near it. I’m not being responsible for injury or death.

I don’t have the knowledge of domestic work, I’m definitely not passing on industrial know how to DIYers.

So as been said, if you don’t like it, stay out. I will!

I’ll help anyone, but only if I’m confident of the persons ability.
 
There is a legal side to this. If someone gives some advice which, because it is interpreted wrong or even wrong advice because they haven't got full details and an accident occurs, then they could be held liable.
 
I think it is great. It keeps DIYers away from the main forums where trainees, sparks and engineers can discuss the trade and problems associated with it. If the DIY forum is removed they will be back on the main forums and lets face it we don't want that. To add I won't go near that forum and will not give any advice out, you need not either. Like Tony mentioned I will not be responsible for someones injury or death either.
 
Its been 3 months and the admin have not yet formulated basic advice and links for diyers regarding safe isolation, labc notification, requirements for testing, esc advice etc etc....
Why would Admin be writing advice stickys? That was never part of the deal. If you want to write some then go ahead.

To be honest I think the best thing I could do is stop going in the DIY section.
The DIY forum is deliberately opt-in, if you want to be opted out just let me know and I'll do it for you.


As for the legal implications, the forum terms and conditions are here. Everyone on the forum with posting permissions has implicitly agreed to the T&C's when they joined. Included in there and right at the top is a paragraph; It is important to note that all comments on this website are uncorroborated therefore should not be seen as fact but simply the opinion of the person posting the message.
 
As for the legal implications, the forum terms and conditions are here. Everyone on the forum with posting permissions has implicitly agreed to the T&C's when they joined. Included in there and right at the top is a paragraph; It is important to note that all comments on this website are uncorroborated therefore should not be seen as fact but simply the opinion of the person posting the message.
meaningless rubbish though isn't it, at least it might cover the website to some extent, but not the professional contributors.

You for instance are listed as being an electrical engineer, therefore any advice you give can be taken as being professional advice, and you as a professional electrical engineer are far more culpable legally if that advice led to an accident than someone who was just a DIYer themselves.
 
I think making the DIY forum 'opt in' is a good idea - I've seen DIY forums where people regularly drop by, post an ambiguous question and never come back. Google the question and you'll see they've pasted the same post on as many forums as they could find. Making question-askers register then wait for appropriate access to be granted should help filter out the time wasters.
I too won't be opting in to the DIY section any time soon, partly for fear of someone who isn't afraid to have a go at their electrics not being afraid to have a go at getting me to admit liability if it all goes wrong. It's bad enough with "electricians" coming here expecting me to answer their questions as if it's my job.

At the risk of sounding like a bum-licker I don't think it's the admins' responsibility to start writing DIY guides either, nor do I want to see the DIY section overtake the professional section; a dark little corner for DIYers to get ignored in or have their question converted into a sale is fine by me.
 
Why would Admin be writing advice stickys? That was never part of the deal. If you want to write some then go ahead.

It was promised, started, then never finished. I would expect a forum that was actively encouraging DIYers to do electrical work to at least furnish them with basic safety information. It is clear that moral obligation counts for nothing here when you can hide behind legal disclaimers.

It has become apparent that the DIY forum was set up as a knee jerk reaction to stop members (and potential advertisement targets) from abandoning the site, and not as a genuine place to help keep DIYers informed of safety issues.



The DIY forum is deliberately opt-in, if you want to be opted out just let me know and I'll do it for you.

Yes please
 
meaningless rubbish though isn't it, at least it might cover the website to some extent, but not the professional contributors.

You for instance are listed as being an electrical engineer, therefore any advice you give can be taken as being professional advice, and you as a professional electrical engineer are far more culpable legally if that advice led to an accident than someone who was just a DIYer themselves.
Engineers are no more legally culpable than a domestic electrician. If I acted dangerously or gave dangerous advice during the course of my professional duties the consequences could be greater but I'd face exactly the same charges as would any electrician.

If the UK system as a whole considered electrical DIY as too dangerous they'd treat it the same as the gas industry surely and as such it would be outright illegal to touch or tamper with any installation in any way plus there wouldn't be the materials available over the counter without producing of a registration card. This evidently isn't the case so I see the door being wide open for DIY'ers. Yes, there's bulding control but correct me if I'm wrong, they're only informed after the work is done so even that is kinda closing the door after the horse is long gone so to speak.
 
It was promised, started, then never finished. I would expect a forum that was actively encouraging DIYers to do electrical work to at least furnish them with basic safety information. It is clear that moral obligation counts for nothing here when you can hide behind legal disclaimers.
If someone promised to write advice for the DIY section I can assure you it wasn't me. I have no domestic electrical qualification and I have almost no knowledge of the UK regs.

The DIY forum was hardly a knee-jerk reaction by the staff, it was something that was months in the making and was wanted by a clear majority of those members who were vocal on the subject.

I don't understand why you feel it's wrong to offer DIY'ers advice. Do you have the same loathing for companies like Haynes who make car manuals that are specifically pitched at non-professionals?


Yes please
Done. If you change your mind let me know.
 

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