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[Darkwood]

Right ... Just been nudged to set this up by Paul.M and sounds a good idea following recent threads I've done in the Arms..

Rules....No Offensive material... edit if required before posting as this is the public arena.
Anything to do with the trade or in and around it ...H&S pic's welcome.



I've posted this a few times and this is at a mates house following a kitchen refirb several yrs ago. mg_smile:

 

[westward10]

I prefer readily accessible as very little is actually inaccessible.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Nothing is inaccessible with a sledgehammer and angle grinder

 

[SparkySy]

I found a stihl saw makes most things accessible!

 

[SparkyChick]

Just a question
Who would treat this situation as inaccessible?
Presumably, any problem with the lighting point would result in removal....resulting in access.

Yes... because to access it you need to know it's there. In this particular example you can argue well there is likely to be a connection point for the downlight so you have an idea something might be there, but in general if I can't see it when the jobs finished I consider it to be inaccessible.

 

[westward10]

No joint should be visible when a job is finished

 

[ipf]

Yes... because to access it you need to know it's there. In this particular example you can argue well there is likely to be a connection point for the downlight so you have an idea something might be there, but in general if I can't see it when the jobs finished I consider it to be inaccessible.

Well. if it's there it's there, if it's not it's not......but it's the first place you'd look for it. I'll use my years in the job as experience in making a decision.
I feel some trivialities in the job are just getting worse.

 

[Dustydazzler]

This is one massive downside to this MF box phenomenon

In this instance imo it’s perfectly acceptable to use a DL hole to shove a nicely made joint box

But I have seen sparks bury these MF joints under concrete screed floors as they can be non accessible by definition

 

[ipf]

This is one massive downside to this MF box phenomenon

In this instance imo it’s perfectly acceptable to use a DL hole to shove a nicely made joint box

But I have seen sparks bury these MF joints under concrete screed floors as they can be non accessible by definition

There are extremes.....and stupidity. Some, with the basic crap they're being taught, or just presuming maybe, can't handle either.

 

[pirate]

accessible?
MF?
we are getting lost in the terminology,i think.
If a junction is truly inaccessible, it has to be MF, but if it is truly MF it should not be a concern...However, i am sure all of you proper electricians on here have seen examples of supposed MF junctions that are far from that.
The result is confusion...
Proper electricians will choose a method that will stand the test of time...bodgers will use choc-block and leccy tape buried in whatever is to hand.
I am not an electrician, as I have said many times, but in my amateur view any joint that CAN be accessed should be made in such a way that it it is able to be tested and proved ok...in a perfect world, any joint that CANNOT ever be accessed must be made in such a way that it cannot ever be compromised...if you find yourself making many such joints, I submit you should find appropriate methods.
There is a distinction between accessible, and accessible with some effort involved.
Both are "accessible", in my opinion. I bet most of you guys consider what you have to do, choose a method that allows access of some kind whenever that is possible, and if you forsee a situation where the circuit will never be able of access in the future, then you will avoid joints. Yes, a counsel of perfection...but never a bodge.
I know nothing of large industrial installations, but I believe that in domestic stuff it is almost always possible to keep all joints accessible, though the MF option is preferable even for the less accessible ones.
Tin hat on...

BTW, on another point, what is an accesssible toilet? Having a toilet that is inaccessible is a useless toilet!
Just another dilution of proper English...
Another tin hat on!

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

Doing an EICR today, No R1+R2 or Zs at the shower. Thought id pull the cord down to have a look. The switch just fell down, as you can see the earth and one of the live terminations has never been screwed and the other connections were not worth it.

To top it off this shower had no earth continuity to it, no 30mA RCD protection, and there was a DIY TNS reading of 532Ohms.

 

[SparkySy]

Here is a little peach I found today whilst attending a faulty immersion heater, work was done only 2 years ago by a big national company fitting new heaters! Nothing seemed to be fixed back properly and the lid fell off the isolator as I took the clothes out that were hiding it!

 

[Dustydazzler]

I take it the Wylex condumer unit was installed to serve the newly installed heaters..??

 

[SparkySy]

@Dustydazzler
Yes that is correct then they have been neccy blocked to the original cables to the heaters in the old wylex unit below, lovely job!

 

[Dustydazzler]

I only see 2 cables heading up but 3 MCBs ..? What's going on there then

 

[DPG]

I only see 2 cables heading up but 3 MCBs ..? What's going on there then

The other one going upwards in the trunking?