"Domestic installer " due to be binned?

[LukeD]

heard that the powers that be want the "domestic installers" course binned?

 

[Spoon]

.....that flooded the domestic market with primarily untrained and incompetent domestic installers. I wont call them sparks because they aren't for obvious reasons.

A bit of a blanket statement there...
There are some good people on here who have taken the short course and then gone on to expand their knowledge and experience. I take my hat off to them and would class them as sparks.

 

[Dustydazzler]

From me the whole D.I thing was backwards and degraded the trade as a whole

do you have domestic plumbers or domestic carpenters , no , you have plumbers and carpenters

the entire D.I thing was ill though out and just a cash grab scam

why can’t we just go back to the days of an electrician was an electrician

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

As mentioned those already registered are okay. If you now try to join the DI scheme then you will require the qualifications or have been a qs for 2+ years.
I did post something about this recently. I think the training centres will be rethinking things.

 

[UNG]

why can’t we just go back to the days of an electrician was an electrician

The training takes to long and doesn't fit in with "it's only two wires how complicated can it be" for a lot of people

 

[Rockingit]

why can’t we just go back to the days of an electrician was an electrician

Because as a nation we're losing traditional skills and the education system is designed solely to teach kids how to look up the answer

Because kids aren't taught that electricians are gods, instead they're sold the dream of university debt

Because Mrs Jones thinks it's easy because it's on YouTube so wants it cheap

Because why be a trade college with an intake of 50-60 apprentice's a year with no money when you can advertise lies on the internet and have an intake of 50-60 a month with a credit card

Because.....
Because.....

 

[LukeD]

Because as a nation we're losing traditional skills and the education system is designed solely to teach kids how to look up the answer

Because kids aren't taught that electricians are gods, instead they're sold the dream of university debt

Because Mrs Jones thinks it's easy because it's on YouTube so wants it cheap

Because why be a trade college with an intake of 50-60 apprentice's a year with no money when you can advertise lies on the internet and have an intake of 50-60 a month with a credit card

Because.....
Because.....

THis 100% . The whole route to been qualified is a mess . I think it should only have one road and a government controlled body.Not private businesses been "in charge "

 

[Pete999]

THis 100% . The whole route to been qualified is a mess . I think it should only have one road and a government controlled body.Not private businesses been "in charge "

Wholeheartedly agree well said Luke.

 

[Pete999]

i worked with a domestic installer, he replaced an rcd, those old boards with the rigid neutrals, think they are wylex?, anyway he obviously struggled to get it in so just pushed the neutral link behind the rcd and left it. did he seriously think nobody would find out?

got called to a job of no lights working after an mcb change aswell, he didnt even tighten it, just plopped the cable in the top terminal, job jobbed!

always disappearing to the wholesaler for silicone, think he paid about 3 grand for his "ticket"

Paid being the operative word, " you pays yer money"

 

[LukeD]

Same same with Gas safe... The short course guys work could be seriously bad.

 

[nicebutdim]

A bit of a blanket statement there...
There are some good people on here who have taken the short course and then gone on to expand their knowledge and experience. I take my hat off to them and would class them as sparks.

I could be wrong, but isn't this how @SparkyChick started out in the industry?

I don't think anyone could argue against the value of apprenticeships, nor the fact that short courses alone fall far short of being an ideal means of training, but anyone reading this thread could be forgiven for thinking that apprenticeships are a guarantee of quality workmanship, yet reality often proves otherwise.

 

[ipf]

The DI 'short course electrician' was nothing short of a band wagon scam to fill the coffers of the scams.
It turned Dave the plumber into Dave the Electrician literally overnight with little to no actual on-site experience.
If we really want a better standard for domesticated electrician then the scams should put on some proper courses for Dave

Don't start getting words mixed up...it's 'wet pants' who aren't house trained?

 

[polaroid]

What difference would it make if all the DI courses just disappeared tomorrow?

None whatsoever...

As mentioned, you'll still have DIY, handymen, kitchen fitters doing substandard work and some of that group will do better work than the almighty time served spark.

It's purely down to the individual.

 

[westward10]

I could be wrong, but isn't this how @SparkyChick started out in the industry?

I don't think anyone could argue against the value of apprenticeships, nor the fact that short courses alone fall far short of being an ideal means of training, but anyone reading this thread could be forgiven for thinking that apprenticeships are a guarantee of quality workmanship, yet reality often proves otherwise.

Agreed as also pointed out by @Spoon so let's not turn this into a DI basher exercise. As @nicebutdim points out being time served is no guarantee of competence there are plenty if bad apples from that side of the fence also, I should know I am one.

 

[ipf]

I could be wrong, but isn't this how @SparkyChick started out in the industry?

I don't think anyone could argue against the value of apprenticeships, nor the fact that short courses alone fall far short of being an ideal means of training, but anyone reading this thread could be forgiven for thinking that apprenticeships are a guarantee of quality workmanship, yet reality often proves otherwise.

There are a good few on here, some who've gone on to higher level, strima's a good example. Many to be admired....others taken to the cleaners by con men charging a fortune.
It's been an option for quite a few who've left the forces. I know an 'electrician' who left the army who did one. He couldn't quite grasp things after trying to go self employed and lost cash. As a result, his family are generally crapping themselves every time he goes away, as a mercenary.

 

[LukeD]

There are a good few on here, some who've gone on to higher level, strima's a good example. Many to be admired....others taken to the cleaners by con men charging a fortune.
It's been an option for quite a few who've left the forces. I know an 'electrician' who left the army who did one. He couldn't quite grasp things after trying to go self employed and lost cash. As a result, his family are generally crapping themselves every time he goes away, as a mercenary.

NO there is a Trade that aint earning what they use to !