Domestic installer path info please.....

[Scorrer11]

Hey guys,
after constantly annoying every tutor on my course to the point of them wanting to kill me i finally got the
head of electrical in today to speak to our class about the route we have to take to get to our destination.
so fair play to her she put it all out there and this is what we got(see attached photos) so i am now under
the impression this is my correct path:-

2365 level 2>
domestic installer level 3>
inspection and testing>
17th edition>
esc card(optional)
start work!!

any feedback is massively appreciated.
thanks
shaun

 

[Sparkie30]

dont take offense but what do you guys have to do with the training of new guys to know all the new requirements etc, any lecturers in here?!

no offence pal, we had 3 aprettinces 2 of them were useless 1 was cocky, refused to have any of them near me. They all left. Im not judging you btw. You will be sick Of domestic after 2 years.

You are getting the best possible advice from everyone here so may be you should take note.

 

[davesparks]

mechanic 3 year apprenticeship
technician was like a 6 week on the job training course but it pays more, ooo the irony lol

Cool, so what advice would you give to someone who's was considering becoming a bike mechanic without doing an apprenticeship and only doing a college course without the massive practical training you get from an apprenticeship?

There is a certain amount of comparison as both trades have a huge practical skill base which can only be learned from people experienced in doing the job.

 

[rolyberkin]

Hey guys,
after constantly annoying every tutor on my course to the point of them wanting to kill me i finally got the
head of electrical in today to speak to our class about the route we have to take to get to our destination.
so fair play to her she put it all out there and this is what we got(see attached photos) so i am now under
the impression this is my correct path:-

2365 level 2>
domestic installer level 3>
inspection and testing>
17th edition>
esc card(optional)
start work!!

any feedback is massively appreciated.
thanks
shaunView attachment 31312View attachment 31313

2365 L2
2365 L3
2357 NVQ Conversion
AM2

Beware of college lecturers they sometimes tell you what you want to hear whilst putting you on the course they actually run rather than what you may need for your long term aims I am also following the above route, get a password for the trainee section, replies can be a bit more forgiving in there!;-) I agree with the suggestion that you should get a full qualification +NVQ element as it opens up more avenues.

And I am a qualified adult education trainer and A1 assessor just not in electrics, which probably answers one of your previous comments also!

 

[Scorrer11]

2365 L2
2365 L3
2357 NVQ Conversion
AM2

Beware of college lecturers they sometimes tell you what you want to hear whilst putting you on the course they actually run rather than what you may need for your long term aims I am also following the above route, get a password for the trainee section, replies can be a bit more forgiving in there!;-) I agree with the suggestion that you should get a full qualification +NVQ element as it opens up more avenues.

And I am a qualified adult education trainer and A1 assessor just not in electrics, which probably answers one of your previous comments also!

why couldnt you have been the first response, would have never got this post past 1 page then. thanks so much

 

[Scorrer11]

Cool, so what advice would you give to someone who's was considering becoming a bike mechanic without doing an apprenticeship and only doing a college course without the massive practical training you get from an apprenticeship?

There is a certain amount of comparison as both trades have a huge practical skill base which can only be learned from people experienced in doing the job.

i dont really know to be honest, i feel the apprenticeship is beneficial practically but theoretically its awful because i struggled to get technical info at work or at college as both were just focused on cost cutting techniques.

 

[malcolmsanford]

Yet another thread on domestic installers. Is there still this culture in the UK about how being one is the answer to everyones dreams of becoming rich?

I have no problems people wanting to move on, do something better (if DI can ever be thought of better than anything) but we seem to be getting these guys just wanting to go into someones house cut a few floor boards, climb about in a few lofts, pull in a few generic cables, because we don't "design" anymore and and that is that.

I just wonder after most on here go to that great workshop in the sky what will happen. You'll get a poster coming on

"I have this 3 phase supply and I was wondering if you could..................."

Just to get the reply

"Not sure mate..but if it is floor board you need lifting the best way.............."

 

[BES]

Sorry guys but what the lady had told him is right. No he wont be a qualified electrician in most on heres eyes but while part p and the schemes still exist and if all he wants to do is domestic when hes finished the courses the lady suggests he is as qualified as you and i to do so in the relevent peoples eyes like or not. Nvqs and jib cards are irelevent in this case.

 

[Leesparkykent]

Sorry guys but what the lady had told him is right. No he wont be a qualified electrician in most on heres eyes but while part p and the schemes still exist and if all he wants to do is domestic when hes finished the courses the lady suggests he is as qualified as you and i to do so in the relevent peoples eyes like or not. Nvqs and jib cards are irelevent in this case.

Not if he wants to do new build work on sites like the OP suggests then the jib card is relevant.

 

[BES]

Not if he wants to do new build work on sites like the OP suggests then the jib card is relevant.

Missed that bit about site work lee. Yes in that case obviously your right but as it stands at the minute non site domestic work requires no nvq , jib or ecs.
So what she as told her is correct

 

[BES]

She is still wrong BES why produce a flow chart that shows the 1st step as doing a recognised level 2 Diploma (2365) then the 2nd step is to go and do a 5 day domestic installer course which according to her takes a year? There will be far more learnt in the 2365 course than the DI course so there is no progression what so ever in qualifications, there is no sense in that and as an advisor/tutor/head of area that is embarrassing and **** poor advice. The chart then also suggests after the DI course to do the level 3 Diploma at college.

Being a Head of Electrical she should also understand that the AM2 is now a unit in the 2357 and it is not a separate qualification/course as her chart suggests. The tutor's role is to advise their students on things like this, part of the Head's role is to know the qualifications inside out.

Apprenticeship is open to anybody but the funding is cut at the age of 24 her chart shows the apprenticeship is only open to 16-26 year olds.

Its just an absolute mess and for someone at her pay grade they should be far more clearer than this, its quite difficult for new guys to understand what qualifications are needed

At the end of the day the OP wants to work in the domestic sector he would stand a far better chance from the advice given by the guys suggesting the 2365 & 2357 and looking at the prices on that board it wont be much more expensive. Not many employers will take him on without paying him trainee wages and probably expect him to go through the proper route eventually if he wants a pay increase.

To be fair all he needs is the 17th , pl insurance and a job to show one of the schemes pay the fee and he is off and running.

 

[newtothis]

To be fair all he needs is the 17th £500 pl insurance and a job to show one of the schemes and he is off and running.

It's an incredibly dangerous situation - I can't understand it.
The training centers couldn't flog the dream if the schemes, weren't in on it.
I speak as someone who's done short courses.

 

[BES]

It's an incredibly dangerous situation - I can't understand it.
The training centers couldn't flog the dream if the schemes, weren't in on it.
I speak as someone who's done short courses.

Exactly. We can tell people till we are blue in the face that you cant become an " electrician " or their is no such thing as a " domestic installer " but unfortunately the domestic side of the industry is that watered down now due to part p and the schemes why bother telling someone they cant do something when they clearly can

 

[Adam W]

why couldnt you have been the first response, would have never got this post past 1 page then. thanks so much

It was the first response, you just chose to ignore it.

 

[newtothis]

I view the training industry with a healthy dose of scepticism.
I don't differientiate between the DI quick courses or the 2 & level 3 (2365) class room based route.

Both can lead to the exact same outcome for the student - a smaller bank balance for little of no return

Neither is suitable for self-employment. Both present largely the same proposition for the potential employer, someone they have to pay a living wage to that has no experience.