Don't you just love the SNP......

[YoungScud]

And you know this how?

"BoS is many things and no bank is totally independent and in 2009 they had stakes in banks all over the world even in the Bank of China. The fact is the BoS was a main investor in Scotland at the time of the crash, and it was UK taxpayers that leant the money to the group that ulimately bailed it out"

See that highlighted part? That's me as well as you. We bailed each other out, so I don't owe you, nor you me.

"Oh dear. Spain actually reported that they would not vote for a scottish entry for fear of Basque region following suit.............even if Scotland got in it would not have been on the same terms as the Uk and the cost would have been..think of a number"

Spain did no such thing. The Spanish Premier did, and it was well established that that was a back scratching exercise in return for a quid pro quo from Cameron over Catalonia.

"Your right it is a British pound and it can be traded by anyone........but only the British can use the British pound........

Yes, quite correct. Now, define British. The UK isn't Britain.

"Hmmm so you think Putin will become your instant ally, good luck with that we see how he deals with friends such as Ukraine. The old Neutral stance worked wonders in 1939 for many a small country


No need. I didn't say we'd join up with such an appalling bunch of people, we already have our own. The point is, the minute we left the clubhouse, Putin wouuld be round sniffing like a rat up a drainpipe. The UK government knows that, and more importantly, the Americans do too. How long do you think they'd put up with that situation? Why do you think they got involved in the referendum campaign?


"That would take care of itself....would that be the pixies taking care of it

No, that would be adults taking care of it.


"Again you have tried to be clever and say I said you couldn't do it where I said you can but at what cost"


I answered that question. The answer, since you have trouble with reading comprehension is, as far as police and ambulance services are concerned, at no cost, since we already fully fund our own services. Is devolution an alien concept? As far as defence forces are concerned, we already own a proportion of defence assets. The rest of it, we were fully prepared to fund ourselves. In order to negotiate an equable settlement, Westminster would be forced to either settle up or face being saddled with Scotland's share of the National Debt. Anyone who knows anything about politics knows that what was going on over the referendum was nothing more than posturing' which is why even now David Cameron finds himself forced to ngaotiate various issues with Nicola Sturgeon.

So, more fun. Ta. I'm enjoying this, although it's all a bit too easy.

 

[YoungScud]

Because more people voted NO to independence

And, just so we know you can count, represents what percentage of the Scottish electorate? To help you ot, it's worth bearing in mind the frantic posturing in the last few days, culminating in The Vow. Remember that? With only one newspaper of note attemting anything remotely neutral in its approach, and with the BBC, ITV et al. waving the flag, with a result in which, if 1 in 20 of those who voted had changed their vote, there would have been an entirely different one, are you really claiming a majority of Scots wants to remain in the UK? Keep shouting that, I love it.

 

[malcolmsanford]

sadly shakes his head at the wonderment of the arguments..........

As I said UK tax payers.......would the Scottich independent tax payer have afforded bailing out a Scottish crash..........very unlikely

Just google Scottish entry into Europe after Yes vote..........not only spain byt the EU president said that Scotland would not be able to evoke rule 48 and would have to apply again.

Even the UN China made noises about Scotlands admission and like Kosovo could be vetoed

Read it son

?Impossible? for Scotland to join EU, says Barroso - The Scotsman

Spain says it could take independent Scotland years to win EU membership | Politics | The Guardian

Salmond's dream of independent Scotland joining the EU is shattered by threat of Spanish veto | Daily Mail Online

and the list goes on an on

You could trade the British pound but you could not use it as a currency..............so what is your argument.

What would Putin gain from Scoltand................please enlighten

The DWP NHS etc are all centrally run, yes you have departments locally but you would need to set up independant bodies. Again never said you couldn't but at what cost

Again the condescending attitude, it is wonder you can function with that chip on your shoulder. I'm sorry son but how ever much you want to be English you can't

Like the rest of the UK Scotland borrows money to live. Fact. As the 8 th largest economy in the world the UK can afford this because of it's AAA rating. Now with Scotland leaving it was muted that the UK would drop a couple of places but would still retain it's G20 statues and AAA rating

Scotland would be lucky to be in the top 50. Poor credit rating, no power, not in the EU and the cost was not even esitmated as it could not be.

SCOTTISH PEOPLE saw all this and not matter how much Salmond and his cronies played the Nationalist card, it only fooled people like you

 

[malcolmsanford]

And, just so we know you can count, represents what percentage of the Scottish electorate? To help you ot, it's worth bearing in mind the frantic posturing in the last few days, culminating in The Vow. Remember that? With only one newspaper of note attemting anything remotely neutral in its approach, and with the BBC, ITV et al. waving the flag, with a result in which, if 1 in 20 of those who voted had changed their vote, there would have been an entirely different one, are you really claiming a majority of Scots wants to remain in the UK? Keep shouting that, I love it.

If only I had won the lottery this week..if only I wasn't an old man I could............if only England had a decent football team

Oh son you are priceless you really are................seems like instead of having a constructive argument we are feeding the troll

 

[sean_ork]

Malcolm, now we know what we all know, and considering Cameroon's postering the day after the referendum result - do you think the Yes vote would increase given another opportunity to have our say ?

 

[malcolmsanford]

Not at all Sean, in fact I think the no vote would increase. With the terrorist situation, oil prices etc I think most Scots would want the status quo ..........for now at least.

SNP have not made many noises towards independence even though they are shouting that Cameron as screwed them. I think they realise that if they would loose again and that would be the end of it.

The world as changed quite a bit from last September and I think talking to friends and relatives in Scotland most people are glad to be in the Union.

 

[sean_ork]

I note that you live in Kent Malcolm.

 

[R G]

Well said Malcolm , thats the feeling I get too from the times I visit , I think many now look at Europe and see despair , and feel that as things stand they are better of where they are...

 

[malcolmsanford]

Yes I do indeed though I'm based in Saudi

 

[YoungScud]

sadly shakes his head at the wonderment of the arguments..........

As I said UK tax payers.......would the Scottich independent tax payer have afforded bailing out a Scottish crash..........very unlikely

Just google Scottish entry into Europe after Yes vote..........not only spain byt the EU president said that Scotland would not be able to evoke rule 48 and would have to apply again.

Even the UN China made noises about Scotlands admission and like Kosovo could be vetoed

Read it son

?Impossible? for Scotland to join EU, says Barroso - The Scotsman

Spain says it could take independent Scotland years to win EU membership | Politics | The Guardian

Salmond's dream of independent Scotland joining the EU is shattered by threat of Spanish veto | Daily Mail Online

and the list goes on an on

You could trade the British pound but you could not use it as a currency..............so what is your argument.

What would Putin gain from Scoltand................please enlighten

The DWP NHS etc are all centrally run, yes you have departments locally but you would need to set up independant bodies. Again never said you couldn't but at what cost

Again the condescending attitude, it is wonder you can function with that chip on your shoulder. I'm sorry son but how ever much you want to be English you can't

Like the rest of the UK Scotland borrows money to live. Fact. As the 8 th largest economy in the world the UK can afford this because of it's AAA rating. Now with Scotland leaving it was muted that the UK would drop a couple of places but would still retain it's G20 statues and AAA rating

Scotland would be lucky to be in the top 50. Poor credit rating, no power, not in the EU and the cost was not even esitmated as it could not be.

SCOTTISH PEOPLE saw all this and not matter how much Salmond and his cronies played the Nationalist card, it only fooled people like you

I'm not sure you know how the Un works. China is a permanent member of the UNSC and can use its veto there. It can't veto membership of the UN. Another flight of fancy. By the way, pretending Spain soean't have a horse in this race is whimsical. But what sets the seal, and makes your buddy's reference to 'feeding the troll' so funny is your claim of us wanting to be you. Trust me, if there's anything we don't want to be, it's English. Do tell, though, what waving the Union Jack was if not nationalism?

 

[malcolmsanford]

Taking the argument a stage further as RG says...........in a EU in/out referendum I wonder what percentage of Scotland would now vote out with the rest of UK.

I lay money it would be a larger proportion than a year ago

 

[malcolmsanford]

I'm not sure you know how the Un works. China is a permanent member of the UNSC and can use its veto there. It can't veto membership of the UN. Another flight of fancy. By the way, pretending Spain soean't have a horse in this race is whimsical. But what sets the seal, and makes your buddy's reference to 'feeding the troll' so funny is your claim of us wanting to be you. Trust me, if there's anything we don't want to be, it's English. Do tell, though, what waving the Union Jack was if not nationalism?

YES IT Can Russia and your mate Putin is blocking Kosovo.......

Any memeber of the security cancel can VETO membership........are you normally this dense

Is that Scottish soean't............what are you trying to say, now take your time grown men are reading this

 

[sean_ork]

Yes I do indeed though I'm based in Saudi

So you live in Kent, are based in Saudi - do you really beleive that you are in anyway qualified to be speaking on behalf of the majority Scots view ?

Obviously everyone is entitled to an opinion, I just find yours rather lacking in any form of credibility - that's just my opinion, so don't get the hump over it.

 

[malcolmsanford]

No I don't think I'm qualified in speaking for the Scots, they spoke for themselves in 2014 and and I'm afraid people like you and Scud still can not accept it.

Not sure why my opinion lacks credibility where I have actually linked to facts and quoted fact when the only argument you put forward is emotive.

We can twist stats and figures to suit as we like, but the bottom line the Scottish people didn't want devolution and speaking to a myriad of family and friends want it even less now and are thanking god they never got it.

I only ever get the hump as you call it when arguments are taken to a condescending level, and it seems that your going down that road with your cohort.

I'm old enough and ugly enough to argue fact only, and if I'm wrong I will gladly admit it.............unfortunately you and the scud don't adhere to that doctrine which is a shame

 

[malcolmsanford]

And here is another fact about why the no vote saved Scotland from ruin

Saudi Arabia?s deficit problem | Global Risk Insights

Saudi is the richest country in the world and last year because of oil prices they posted the above. Now a No vote argument was that North Sea oil would kick start and support the economy to get Scotland on it's feet....................