Don't you just love the SNP......

[sean_ork]

Well that's a lot of words and options and Googled "facts" Malcolm, perhaps we can at least argee to disagree - to be honest I lost interest in your line of thought when you posted this rather odd remark - you let the cat out of the bag with that one old chap.

I'm sorry son but how ever much you want to be English you can't

oops

 

[YoungScud]

And here is another fact about why the no vote saved Scotland from ruin

Saudi Arabia?s deficit problem | Global Risk Insights

Saudi is the richest country in the world and last year because of oil prices they posted the above. Now a No vote argument was that North Sea oil would kick start and support the economy to get Scotland on it's feet....................

No it wasn't. However, I'll take that one. Saudi's economy is pretty well based on oil. Scotland's isn't and never has been, because as I said earlier, we don't see the revenue. So really, it's a non argument.

 

[YoungScud]

It seems to me that the fact that the two contributors so far living in and working in Scotland, and in my case having been involved in Scottish politics for most of my adult life, are deemed by others to be the least credible as extremely telling.

 

[malcolmsanford]

Keep up Sean I'm pretty sure with even with your intellect you should have no problems distinguishing fact from SNP fiction.

Sorry if the articles in the 3 different papers re EU membership was a googled fact, or the Saudi deficit was ....................though I don't see a google fact from you disputing it.

By the way I don't need google to read and retain things, though it does help to find relevant TRUE FACTS I give you that.

 

[sean_ork]

Keep up Sean I'm pretty sure with even with your intellect you should have no problems distinguishing fact from SNP fiction.

I only ever get the hump as you call it when arguments are taken to a condescending level, and it seems that your going down that road with your cohort.

oops, you've done it again - do you realise how arrogant and ignorant such comments come across to folks up here ?

Just out of interest, could you explain the logic that led to you posting the below ?

I'm sorry son but how ever much you want to be English you can't

 

[janner43]

If only I had won the lottery this week..if only I wasn't an old man I could............if only England had a decent football team

Oh son you are priceless you really are................seems like instead of having a constructive argument we are feeding the troll

Couldn't agree more.

 

[Octopus]

Wow, just got home and what an interesting "exchange".

The way I look at this is that the SNP keep on about wanting more money (from the rUK) and how they would spend it - they have a very simple way to achieve this:

Since devolution, the Scottish Parliment have had the ability to "vary" income rates by upto 3% - so why doesn't the SNP up the tax rates for Scottish tax payers by 3% and then spend this money?

Not exactly rocket science!

 

[Dcf]

Whatever happened to the days of wine and roses us jocks were promised if we stayed?
hmmm that will be a big fat backtracked zero then.
apart from the likes of Michelle mone and Alastair darling who got nice seats in the lords for their "efforts" in persuading gullible pensioners that they wouldn't get a pension if they voted to leave .nice work if you can get it.
looking forward to being a thorn in the political Arse of the U.K. For a while yet anyway.

 

[janner43]

Whatever happened to the days of wine and roses us jocks were promised if we stayed?
hmmm that will be a big fat backtracked zero then.
apart from the likes of Michelle mone and Alastair darling who got nice seats in the lords for their "efforts" in persuading gullible pensioners that they wouldn't get a pension if they voted to leave .nice work if you can get it.
looking forward to being a thorn in the political Arse of the U.K. For a while yet anyway.

At the risk of repeating myself, I think you'll find that most English people couldn't care less if Scotland chooses independence.

Other than believing in the validity of a United Kingdom on purely philosophical grounds, my opinion is that if you Scots wanted to go then you all should have voted to go and then the remaining country could just have gotten on quite nicely without you thank you very much.

I might go so far as to say that I think you'll find that the overwhelming majority of the English would now be very glad to see you have independence. I strongly suspect that we are all thoroughly fed up with listening to the almost incessant complaining that we get from north of the border.

In fact, perhaps I could ask my MP to add a question to the EU referendum - only for we English, of course, that asks...

"Are you fed up with subsidising free prescription costs and free university places for Scotland and would you prefer it if they were an independent republic without the £, without the Army, Navy & Airforce and without any financial help from the rest of the U.K. "

My guess is there would be a massive vote of YES!

Oh yes and let me just say that Devonport Dockyard would only be too happy to accept the role as the English and Welsh base for our nuclear submarine fleet. Oh yes, and we have enough spare capacity in Aldershot and other Army towns for any army bases that might still be lingering in Scotland. To tell you the truth, we have a huge airport in Cornwall that would also be thrilled to give a home to any planes and staff in that area as well.

Feel free to keep all the land in your country. Oh yes, and all the debt, unemployment, and health costs. Enjoy paying for everything that you currently enjoy. You'll find your taxes dramatically increase and your service levels dramatically decrease. Let's not mention the financial constraints you will have to endure to stand any chance at all of entering the EU and the Euro.

Yes, on balance I think a resounding "for pity's sake, please just go!!" is what you will hear from most of us English.

If, on the other hand you would like to stay as part of the United Kingdom, then I suspect you will continue to be just as you say, "a thorn in the political Arse of the U.K."

 

[Midwest]

At the risk of repeating myself, I think you'll find that most English people couldn't care less if Scotland chooses independence.

Other than believing in the validity of a United Kingdom on purely philosophical grounds, my opinion is that if you Scots wanted to go then you all should have voted to go and then the remaining country could just have gotten on quite nicely without you thank you very much.

I might go so far as to say that I think you'll find that the overwhelming majority of the English would now be very glad to see you have independence. I strongly suspect that we are all thoroughly fed up with listening to the almost incessant complaining that we get from north of the border.

My guess is there would be a massive vote of YES!

I would tend to disagree. I would agree a lot of people, in the UK, are quite fed up with hearing this debate. I have no factual figures to back this up. But I also think that many people were also relieved that the 'No' campaign won through in the end. I believe we have a lot to promote ourselves as a nation, the UK and splitting up ultimately would make us all, third rate countries.

 

[janner43]

I would tend to disagree. I would agree a lot of people, in the UK, are quite fed up with hearing this debate. I have no factual figures to back this up. But I also think that many people were also relieved that the 'No' campaign won through in the end. I believe we have a lot to promote ourselves as a nation, the UK and splitting up ultimately would make us all, third rate countries.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. I believe in the UK. What gets on my wick is the constant moaning from the SNP & their activists who seem to think they should dictate policy for the entire UK. Scotland voted to stay in the union but once the SNP realised they were not going to govern the UK in a coalition with the Labour Party, they have done nothing but agitate for another vote on the same subject.

 

[sean_ork]

The chief agitator for another vote was the Cameroon chap with his English votes nonsense, perhaps mischievously his rat pack didn't tell him that Scots members have a long standing unwritten policy of abstaining in votes that apply only to the English.

The SNP have no need to do much campaigning for another vote, the Tory's are doing such a good job of it.

 

[Midwest]

I agree with you wholeheartedly. I believe in the UK. What gets on my wick is the constant moaning from the SNP & their activists who seem to think they should dictate policy for the entire UK. Scotland voted to stay in the union but once the SNP realised they were not going to govern the UK in a coalition with the Labour Party, they have done nothing but agitate for another vote on the same subject.

I'm not a political animal like some. But in my opinion, on the last GE a lot of people were disenchanted with Labour, and the majority of Scottish people weren't going to vote Tory. It will be interesting to see what happens at the next referendum, which will be hopefully be after when Labour have sorted themselves out.

 

[Midwest]

Think I'm gonna unsubscribe from this thread, my mailbox is not big enough.

 

[pcam1984]

I voted for Scotland to stay part of the U.K. mainly because I don't think you can trust salmons as far as you can throw him, in my opinion the SNP didn't make a good enough case to win the majority. The SNP started a civil war within Scotland never mind the uk! I'm proud to be Scottish and love everything about my country bu according to the yes side I don't have any right to say so. On the other hand it's mindless ar**holes like Janner that fan the flames and give ammo to the yes side. Sometimes the english arrogance blinds them. The rest of the U.K. Would be worse off without Scotland as part of the union, if they would put to bed the independence battle they could play a major part in shaping the future of the U.K. Some of the policies they stand for would benefit everyone, if they went about it in the right way! And just for the record I have never voted for them. At the end of the day all politicians are just as bad as each other