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er no. Really busy at the moment so only get a real chance to chip in when I get home.......
So are you in favour of the UK scrapping the barnet formula?
Yes. I want it not to be needed.
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er no. Really busy at the moment so only get a real chance to chip in when I get home.......
So are you in favour of the UK scrapping the barnet formula?
I would agree that Northern Island, Wales & England shouldn't have taken part in the Scottish referendum. But it would have been interesting to know what the peoples of those countries thought, as Scotland leaving the UK, would have an impact on them. Perhaps the 'mainstream parties & media en masse supporting the No campaign', was some sort of guage of that? Would that be financial or selfish reason for that, or is it purely they do not want the UK to divide?First of all, to the moronic suggestion that the rest of the Uk should have taken part in the referendum, not only did every mainstream party band together to persuade the Scottish electorate to say No, but so did the media en masse. If I'd believed for one minute that there would have been a Yes result, I might well have found myself taking the wrong, but pragmatic view that that should happen. Why wrong? Well, has there been a single case in history of a nation exercising its right to self determination (note the word 'self') while involving another nation in the decision?
Finally, you can portray any future intention by an elected Scottish government as keeping voting until we get the right result if you want, but that smacks of tabloid thinking. If we are to maintain any pretence of democracy, we have to accept that people change, and that a future Scottish government, given a mandate, has every legal and constitutional right to hold another referendum. The responsibility of any government is to represent its people, to try to gauge their will and respond accordingly. Of course, this does not mean that we can expect another referendum within the next few years, but it would be naive to expect that things don't change.
To save a separate post, I'd like to answer some of the less well-thought out jibes bandied around while I'm at it. First of all, to the moronic suggestion that the rest of the Uk should have taken part in the referendum, not only did every mainstream party band together to persuade the Scottish electorate to say No, but so did the media en masse.
A 'non-city' Scot
It would have been interesting to know what the peoples of those countries thought, as Scotland leaving the UK, would have an impact on them. Perhaps the 'mainstream parties & media en masse supporting the No campaign', was some sort of guage of that?
Hum. The SNP are saying that when the EU vote comes the "outcome" needs to be a "yes" in all 4 countries, so more thamn 50% in every country - so how does that fit with your logic?
Problem with the SNP is that they are so insular they have no empathy for anything, or anyone else.
Again, this has nothing to do with anything said by Nicola Sturgeon. What she said was that if there were some kind of political event which changed the nature of the relationship, a 'game changer' if you like, then the party wouid feel it had the right to include a further referendum commitment in its manifesto for the upcoming elections. Were that the case, they would only feel they had a mandate to go ahead if they were elected on that manifesto. That seems to me to be perfectly right and proper. When asked if a UK wide vote to leave the EU were to happen, while Scotland voted to remain, would that be an example of the kind of thing she was thinking of, she replied, it might well be. This is all predicated on the fact that she gauges the mood of the Scottish people to be that we wish to remain in the EU, that seems equally reasonable to me. It might be worth pointing out that a commitment to a further referendum in the next Parliament is very unlikely, there's an element of too many people being fooled by the MSM.
Midwest, I think you can take that as an answer to your post too. The nature of our democracy at least is that the SNp consider that they can only have another referendum if they give a commitment to oe in the manifesto and that they then have a majority. It's also worh noting that Scotland, with a mature form of democracy far more representative of all views than is the case in the UK, is far less likely to find the minority ruling over the majority. Reference the UK General Eletion results last May. I rest my case.
With respect the in/out EU vote, if the UK votes to leave, would we get our 200 mile fishing rights back? That would help countless communities and villages and towns around the UK.
I think it was the fact that Iceland would HAVE to give up its fishing rights was a key factor for them to cease their talks to join the EU.
Oh yes it has...... She has said that SHE wants the ability to block the UK exit if the Scots vote to stay in the EU
She said no such thing, given that she has no right to demand it. What she did say, in 2014, before she became FM, was that exit should require all four members of the UK should vote to leave. Cameron, in his supercilious way, simply stated that we are on UK. We are not. We are two sovereign nations, one principality and a province. He can pretend there would be no constitutional crisis as a result, but rest assued that, in the event of a vote to leave, will trigger one. It's not hard to see, with a pretty solid majority of Scots wanting to stay in the EU, how an easy case for another referendum can be made. Of course, that still requires the political will of Scots to succeed.
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