ECIR requested by the supplier.

[Deleted member 26818]

I disagree. There is a box especially for detailing what the condition report is for. Put in there “to determine dead installation is safe to be made live by the DNO”.

This then spells out clearly what the report is for and would make it clear why the excessive limitations.

It would aslo make sure the report could not be misused by the owner.

If you look at the notes for EICRs on the model forms, it clearly states the report is to confirm where reasonably practicable that the installation is in a satisfactory condition for continued service.
If this inspection is to be conducted in accordance with BS7671, the very first thing to be done is to visually inspect the condition of all electrical equipment which is not concealed.

God forbid that after failing to spend 10/15 mins looking round the place and you sign off the installation as being safe to energise, that someone is electrocuted due to bare conductors hanging out of a wall or ceiling, or exposed by a broken socket front plate.
Seriously, are you not going to walk around and count points served, or confirm circuits?

 

[Nigel]

If you look at the notes for EICRs on the model forms, it clearly states the report is to confirm where reasonably practicable that the installation is in a satisfactory condition for continued service.
If this inspection is to be conducted in accordance with BS7671, the very first thing to be done is to visually inspect the condition of all electrical equipment which is not concealed.

God forbid that after failing to spend 10/15 mins looking round the place and you sign off the installation as being safe to energise, that someone is electrocuted due to bare conductors hanging out of a wall or ceiling, or exposed by a broken socket front plate.
Seriously, are you not going to walk around and count points served, or confirm circuits?

Of course you would. In order to complete dead test you would dommost of that anyway.

Is that what is being debated?

 

[buzzlightyear]

i would tell the customer that you will do a dead test .before hand.,
and once energized you do a proper test and cover your a**.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

The OP is saying the inspection schedule would be a Limitation.

 

[buzzlightyear]

Is that what is being debated

yeah ,who killed cock robin!

 

[Andy78]

Seen it a few times before, usually goes like this.
Letter received from DNO
"Dead testing MUST be completed and a copy of the test results MUST be made available for the engineer on the day of connection otherwise connection cannot proceed"

Day of connection, to DNO engineer
"Hi mate, got your test results you need"
"My what ?, nah mate I don't need any of that. Where's the head going ?"

 

[Nigel]

The OP is saying the inspection schedule would be a Limitation.

No I agree. It should be done.

 

[Wilko]

So the report is done and let's say that a C2 is found. Would DNO refuse to connect? Assume C3 is ok to connect and C1 not ok. Just wondering

 

[Nigel]

So the report is done and let's say that a C2 is found. Would DNO refuse to connect? Assume C3 is ok to connect and C1 not ok. Just wondering

I assume they will be looking for a ‘satisfactory’ report so no C2s.

 

[baldelectrician]

You could do a EICR dead using R1R2 and IR (where possible), any circuits not passing muster could be left disconnected with the prior agreement of the client (you could make this a condition of the works)
Worst case - they could be left with a install with adequate bonding and 90% of the circuits not connected

From past experience- if it is not connected they deal with it sooner rather than later

 

[baldelectrician]

Forgot to mention I also agree on the RCD limitations mentioned earlier