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So I formally completed and finished my electrotechnical apprenticeship with JTL in 2003.
My apprenticeship was a standard five year and we only got entered into doing our AM2 once we had completed 5 years experience and shown neccessary experience in our log books. In this time I completed the various courses...
C&G Part 1 & 2 (236 I believe) AM1, AM2 and NVQ levels 2 & 3 (which were log book based)
Once I completed I got a nice certificate from JTL, and headed signed letters which also had JIB mark on it saying I've completed a formal apprenticeship in the electrotechnical industry and it listed all my quals. I also got a nice letter from JTL congratulating me and saying I've left funded training and my training contract was sent back to me.

Anyway I never applied for my card back then, my logic was I'll do my 2391 then get a "approved" card. So a few years later that's what I did, but unfortunately I never got around to applying for my card either and to be honest I never needed it.

Anyway now 15 years later, I want my card. My qualifications have been checked and verified, however I'm getting placed on hold because ECS think I'm still an Apprentice, they won't except my completion certificate, they won't except my my formal letters from JTL they won't except my original training contract from JTL because it says training deeds on the top .
The only thing they will except is a JIB409 form, the trouble is I no longer have contact with the company I completed my apprenticeship with back in 2003.

When I rang them up the woman said " I can see you have completed, but we can only accept an original training contract or a JIB409".

I work for myself now, I've tried sending copys off to JTL but I never get anything back. A few months this has been going on now.

Surely it can't be this hard, does everyone have this issue.
 
I’ve just renewed my card and have the registered electrician status on it however my understanding is that I will lose the registered status if I don’t achieve the 18th edition by July 2019.
I’ll still retain approved electrician status but my virtual card won’t say registered.
Even tho my physical card says registered if that makes senseo_O
Or will they request I cut it up and not keep it haha
 
My JIB card is very important to me, as without it I would not be able to work.
Although I sent copies of my 2360 and my 16th when I first obtained the card, all it shows on the back is my more recent 17th.
The MyECS site lists my 2360 and 16th, but it says there is no record of when I passed them.
As such although I have a gold card which states Installation Electrician, I have no JIB grade. Looks like I got my gold card with just the 17th.
A while back, I thought to get member of the IET added, but after waiting an age I cancelled the request as my card was due for renewal.
The renewal process is a bit Pot luck, had it take a couple of days, a few weeks and one time over three months.
When you need it quick it takes forever, when there’s no rush, it comes really quick.
The only technical qualifications shown on your cards are your nvq3 (2360 level 2&3 form part of this qualification), any testing and inspection qualifications and the most upto date edition of the wiring regulations.
Pat testing and the 2396 and additional qualifications.
When I filled out an application on paper it tells you what actual qualifications will appear on your card.
 
Although all intentions were probably good at the start this is, unfortunately, turning into a scam who is policing this? when you go on site managers don't really look at it just take a photocopy to be fair to them with all the trades they have how do they know regarding all the quals. I also bet that a lot of employers aren't bothered if you have not got it "it's your problem" they don't stop sending you to site if your card expires most wouldn't even keep a record. O God Im'e starting to rant like Pete!
P.S. So far I have had no problem with ECS card/renewal & calling them.
 
Hi I’m having trouble with getting “Completed Apprenticeship” on back of my card although I’m graded as an “Installation Technical”.

I finished my apprenticeship in 1998. I didn’t ever remember receiving a JIB409 did they even exist then ? No idea where my training deeds are either. Did anyone finish their apprenticeship in 1998 or around that time and get a JIB 409 ?
 
Hi I’m having trouble with getting “Completed Apprenticeship” on back of my card although I’m graded as an “Installation Technical”.

I finished my apprenticeship in 1998. I didn’t ever remember receiving a JIB409 did they even exist then ? No idea where my training deeds are either. Did anyone finish their apprenticeship in 1998 or around that time and get a JIB 409 ?
You wouldn't have.. I had the same but I did get a certificate stating I completed my apprenticeship but the JIB wouldn't accept it.
I had to email my old training provider (JTL) a form and someone there signed it and emailed it back to me.
Apparently you could get your old firm who you trained with to sign it too if they are still around.
 
It's ECS own form you can download it on their website basically it's just a blank form I emailed this over to someone at JTL, they signed stamped and signed it and sent it back.

Its a complete PITA as i had a letter headed letter and a certificate from JTL congratualating me on completing my apprenticeship and stating that I'd left funded training.

if you send me a pm on here I'll see if i can hunt out the form. It was back in 2018 but sure I'll have on my PC somewhere
Thanks so much. No wonder I can’t find one.

What form do I need to send to JTL. I emailed them last night asking if they had any record of me
 
So I formally completed and finished my electrotechnical apprenticeship with JTL in 2003.
My apprenticeship was a standard five year and we only got entered into doing our AM2 once we had completed 5 years experience and shown neccessary experience in our log books. In this time I completed the various courses...
C&G Part 1 & 2 (236 I believe) AM1, AM2 and NVQ levels 2 & 3 (which were log book based)
Once I completed I got a nice certificate from JTL, and headed signed letters which also had JIB mark on it saying I've completed a formal apprenticeship in the electrotechnical industry and it listed all my quals. I also got a nice letter from JTL congratulating me and saying I've left funded training and my training contract was sent back to me.

Anyway I never applied for my card back then, my logic was I'll do my 2391 then get a "approved" card. So a few years later that's what I did, but unfortunately I never got around to applying for my card either and to be honest I never needed it.

Anyway now 15 years later, I want my card. My qualifications have been checked and verified, however I'm getting placed on hold because ECS think I'm still an Apprentice, they won't except my completion certificate, they won't except my my formal letters from JTL they won't except my original training contract from JTL because it says training deeds on the top .
The only thing they will except is a JIB409 form, the trouble is I no longer have contact with the company I completed my apprenticeship with back in 2003.

When I rang them up the woman said " I can see you have completed, but we can only accept an original training contract or a JIB409".

I work for myself now, I've tried sending copys off to JTL but I never get anything back. A few months this has been going on now.

Surely it can't be this hard, does everyone have this issue.
hi , did you get anywhere with this , i have had an absolute nightmare with these people ?
 
Has anyone found a way around this ? I've been trying to gain a gold card on behalf for my Dad. (family business ) . He had a gold card through the NICEIC but it expired ! The whole thing is an absolute ---- take and money making scam! He has had over 40 years experience and forgotten more than i know .! He runs his own company and has given so much to the trade over the years and employment for others , only to be told by someone who has no clue what's going on that he can't have a gold card . We have all his original certs and they've been kept immaculate but we don't have the apprenticeship deeds and the firm stopped trading in 1986 . They are saying he needs NVQ level 3 its a bloody joke ! Surely he hasn't now got to pay close to ÂŁ2000 for an experienced worker assessment !!?? I can't seem to find anyone else really kicking off about this !! would have thought people would be up in arms over it ! any info would be very welcome . thanks
 
It is a money making scheme, I've never applied for a card, and never will. Only do hazardous area work and have never even heard one mentioned. Its a real shame your contract is demanding them, because they really are a load of crap.
Yeh massive money making scheme! Unfortunately of the proper big building sites won’t even let you on site without one . Obviously it’s not a problem if it’s just domestic work .
 

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