EICR and RCD's. Is it a C2 or C3?

[Victor Poon]

Hi,

My EICR is a C2 because the consumer unit does NOT have RCD's.
Is it correct?
My last EICR five years ago stated RCD as recommended.
What's changed?
The flat is on the 2nd floor built in 1997!
The electrician has quoted for a NEW Consumer Unit.

Thanks

Victor

 

[HappyHippyDad]

I'm just trying to work out who the deleted member is who was giving all the dislikes at the beginning .

 

[littlespark]

I'm just trying to work out who the deleted member is who was giving all the dislikes at the beginning .

I thought his name was "Deleted Member" as some sort of joke???

 

[westward10]

Nigel was "essex" deleted member was "stantheman".

 

[Welchyboy1]

If there was no supplementary bonding in the bathroom or RCD protection to the circuits that warrants a C2

Exactly what i was thinking!
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Some of our tenants have the mem boards fitted in 2005 or before . Ones where some is rcd protected other half isnt. When doing eicrs its a c3 that cables less than 50mm are not rcd protected and also c3 that lights arent rcd protected.
If however we want to do work on these circuits we either swap the mcb for an rcbo or move the mcb over to the rcd side.

As for an upfront rcd not being compliant...so you have a client with an old cartridge fuse board asking you to put an extra light on the circuit...not that big a job...you're going to honestly turn to them and say
Yeh well first im going to have to test the whole install as i have to change the whole board.
As i suspect dave from the pub would soon happily be used instead
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I use an rcd fcu

 

[magnoliafan89]

Exactly what i was thinking!
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I do that too. Did a job for a friend who wanted an extra socket put in did an rcd fcu so everything I put in was protected by a 30ma rcd

 

[Jelade Elect.]

No it’s not correct.
There is no requirement to install RCDs in Consumer Units.

There are requirements to protect some circuits, which would require an RCD be placed in or very close to the Consumer Unit.
However, the person who conducted the Inspection should be listing the instances where RCD protection is required but not been provided, and then applying a code for each of those instances.

In many instances, RCD protection can be provided, simply by the installation of an RCD or RCBO in or close to the Consumer Unit.

Only thing that’s changed, is the person who conducted the latest inspection, wants to make money from you.

Hi been using the Napit Code breaker for a few year now and if I see none or a lack of RCD protection for circuits not clipped direct or in trunking or conduit its a straight C2
just on the grounds of section 5.12.3, 522.6.202, no protection of cables in wall less than 50mm from surface, which can not always see but can assume if the wall is a standard 100mm wall, that it does not conform, we sparkies are not looking to rip people off as Ive seen peeps on here giving good sparks a bad name on for telling folks you got to spend money on your property to get it to a good and safe standard etc. as introducing RCD's or RCBO's also detects any Earth to Neutral defects if not already identified on the EICR
this is just my opinion and my clients will have a chose to do it or not.
Regards Jelade Electrical Services

 

[Pretty Mouth]

Hi been using the Napit Code breaker for a few year now and if I see none or a lack of RCD protection for circuits not clipped direct or in trunking or conduit its a straight C2
just on the grounds of section 5.12.3, 522.6.202, no protection of cables in wall less than 50mm from surface, which can not always see but can assume if the wall is a standard 100mm wall, that it does not conform, we sparkies are not looking to rip people off as Ive seen peeps on here giving good sparks a bad name on for telling folks you got to spend money on your property to get it to a good and safe standard etc. as introducing RCD's or RCBO's also detects any Earth to Neutral defects if not already identified on the EICR
this is just my opinion and my clients will have a chose to do it or not.
Regards Jelade Electrical Services

This is at odds with Best Practice Guide 4, which codes it as C3

 

[westward10]

I'm not one for Guide books but the NAPIT one is considered a joke in the industry.

 

[Ian1981]

This is at odds with Best Practice Guide 4, which codes it as C3

Yet Napit , Niceic and others sit on the electric safety first committee that write up these best practices guides and are supposed to come to a mutual agreement , yet Napit C2 this in their own guide book? Bizarre!

 

[Baldspark]

Hi Everyone.

I have done an EICR at a cleaning company today. The installation is less than a year old as they have had a refurb. The spark who did was retired and wouldn't issue any certification! In fairness the job is to an ok standard but there isn't any RCD protection on anything. Am i correct in thinking that because it was 'designed' under 7671:2018 that it is a C2? or would C3 still cover it?

 

[Risteard]

Hi Everyone.

I have done an EICR at a cleaning company today. The installation is less than a year old as they have had a refurb. The spark who did was retired and wouldn't issue any certification! In fairness the job is to an ok standard but there isn't any RCD protection on anything. Am i correct in thinking that because it was 'designed' under 7671:2018 that it is a C2? or would C3 still cover it?

The date it was designed has absolutely nothing to do with how safe or dangerous it is.

You need to make that judgement.

Dates are wholly irrelevant.

 

[Deleted account]

Just because he was retired doesn’t mean he can’t do a certificate. It’s just notification he can’t do. And if it’s a cleaning business that would not be needed.