EICR and subsequent remedial work

[leep82]

Ive got an EICR to do this week, and ive mentioned previously how this is somthing i wish to do more off and i feel hands on experience is the best way to learn.

The property has only 4 circuits. 1 x ring, 1 x lighting, 1 x heating and 1 x cooker. I was originally asked to go and have a quick look by the customer as they had recently moved into the house and they were a little concerned by a few things.

A full kitchen refurb is planned in the next few weeks and with this in mind aswell as the issues raised by the customer i suggested the best course of action would be to carry out an EICR. This was agreed and i was also asked if i would be able to carry out the proposed kitchen refurb.

Now when i went to visit the property a couple of things caught my eye that i know will deem the installation unsatisfactory in terms of the report. One being the 45a cooker switch supplied in 6mm2 T&E and protected by a 32a MCB, which isolates the cooker, microwave and dishwasher all supplied in 2.5mm2 T&E from the cooker switch. When the refurb goes ahead this will all be corrected but my observations will be made on the installation at the time of the inspection. And so an unsatisfactory report given.

The plan is to use the existing 6mm feed to supply the induction hob ( which currently sits disconnected in the work top ). When i test the circuit can i use the results from the unsatisfactory report to issue a new satisfactory report once any remedial work is done. Or do i need to retest? This also goes for any other issues i may find.

A minor works certificate will be issued for the kitchen refurb once completed, and im left wondering if im creating myself extra needless paper work. If the issue ive mentioned turns out to be the only thing preventing a satisfactory report would it be better to just isolate/remove from circuit, as i know i am going in to do the refurb work anyway?

Thanks

 

[Dillb]

I have to fill in a Building Notification Form along with a cheque for £80 prior to any work starting. That price is the same regardless of work, so its £80 to notify a rewire and £80 to notify installing downlights in a bathroom.

I could save you £80 per install if you like? I don’t pay a penny and never have any further problems.

 

[Midwest]

I could save you £80 per install if you like? I don’t pay a penny and never have any further problems.

I have a feeling, you have devil do care attitude? I might be wrong and have discovered utopia

 

[Pete999]

I have a feeling, you have devil do care attitude? I might be wrong and have discovered utopia

I reckon Middy, someone will blow when the rest get home from work.

 

[Dillb]

I have a feeling, you have devil do care attitude? I might be wrong and have discovered utopia

What’s the difference between

1)just issuing a numbered relevant certificate for no extra cost
2) issuing a number relevant certificate, then logging into a website and inputting the information for a fe

 

[Octopus]

I have to fill in a Building Notification Form along with a cheque for £80 prior to any work starting. That price is the same regardless of work, so its £80 to notify a rewire and £80 to notify installing downlights in a bathroom.

So 4 x £80 = £320, 10 x £80 = £800

Stroma costs £288 per year with only a website to deal with

Hum .............. let me think about that

 

[leep82]

Surely you'd be better biting the bullet and joining a scheme? It would cover those costs in what, 4-5 jobs?

Yeah but ive only been self employed for 12 months and for the majority of that ive worked as a subbie. Most of my work is small domestic at the minute and the vast majority of that hasnt been notifiable. Joining a scheme will be somthing i’ll be looking into very soon.

 

[leep82]

I could save you £80 per install if you like? I don’t pay a penny and never have any further problems.

hows that?

 

[leep82]

So 4 x £80 = £320, 10 x £80 = £800

Stroma costs £288 per year with only a website to deal with

Hum .............. let me think about that

I dont incurr the cost though. I have to include it into my price and am 100% upfront about this with my customers. Of course the more work i do it would be better to be involved with a scheme.

 

[Dillb]

hows that?

Don’t join one, and still carry out the work. Look and see if you can find a prosecution for failure to comply with Part P. Then look and see how many you can find who have falsely claimed to be a member of a scam and been prosecuted for it.

 

[Octopus]

I dont incurr the cost though. I have to include it into my price and am 100% upfront about this with my customers. Of course the more work i do it would be better to be involved with a scheme.

I work across 5 or 6 labc's - so scheme membership is the way to go..... And around me lots of people are aware of the dreaded part p .....

 

[Midwest]

Don’t join one, and still carry out the work. Look and see if you can find a prosecution for failure to comply with Part P. Then look and see how many you can find who have falsely claimed to be a member of a scam and been prosecuted for it.

There's a problem here I think. Part P is statuary, and if you fail to comply you commit a criminal offences (i.e. heard at a magistrates court), not withstanding the lack of prosecutions. Then there's the insurance liability if things go Pete Tong, i.e. your insurance company not paying out.

Is that what you are suggesting?

 

[Dillb]

There's a problem here I think. Part P is statuary, and if you fail to comply you commit a criminal offences (i.e. heard at a magistrates court), not withstanding the lack of prosecutions. Then there's the insurance liability if things go Pete Tong, i.e. your insurance company not paying out.

Is that what you are suggesting?

Again find me proof that a insurance company hasn’t paid out? Since the introduction of Part P there will of been millions of installations, your telling me not one of the has had any problems with them? I’m pretty sure the trade magazines would carry a story if it happened.

 

[Nobbin]

For £288 a year you have peace of mind and little chance of something biting you in the A. Several of the more recent jobs I've done would more than cover that fee on their own. Also, my Father taught me something I've carried all my life after saying to him one day "It's never happened yet."
His reply "Then don't risk being the first."

 

[Midwest]

Again find me proof that a insurance company hasn’t paid out? Since the introduction of Part P there will of been millions of installations, your telling me not one of the has had any problems with them? I’m pretty sure the trade magazines would carry a story if it happened.

Insurance companies will use any excuse not to pay out, its in their nature. You'll probably okay, sound electrician, but if it did gone wrong for you, you'll find out how unforgiving they can be.

Then there's the bit of failing to comply with Building Regulations, unlimited fine etc. If that's the way you wish to conduct your business, for the sake of a few hundred pounds however galling it may be, that's down to you. But you should not be suggesting to others to do so.

 

[Dillb]

Insurance companies will use any excuse not to pay out, its in their nature. You'll probably okay, sound electrician, but if it did gone wrong for you, you'll find out how unforgiving they can be.

Then there's the bit of failing to comply with Building Regulations, unlimited fine etc. If that's the way you wish to conduct your business, for the sake of a few hundred pounds however galling it may be, that's down to you. But you should not be suggesting to others to do so.

I wouldn’t mind if they actually did anything for the money they get paid but they don’t. It’s a TAX on the trade for no reason at all. Unlike gas safe who activly prosecute people not registered and with a actual proper assessment to go through to be registered.

If your a member of a scam and something goes wrong you can bet they won’t be anywhere to be seen in support of you.