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A supplementary bonding conductor is not a protective bonding conductor.

A protective bonding conductor is a conductor for protective equipotential bonding --- what would you define additional supp bonding as?

I stand by 701.415 -- Additional protection -- equipotential bonding. Hence i interpret it as being a protective bonding conductor.
 
Fair point thats your definition.

I was just intrigued as to whether you had some technical definition to support it not being a protective bonding conductor.

The technical definition is in it's title! Lol

It is not a protective bonding conductor because it is not protective, it is supplementary!

It is not there to equalise the potential between exposed and extraneous conductive parts in the event of a fault, it is there to supplement the main protective bonding in its duty of equalising the potential between parts.
 
Im relatively new in the game and learning all the time but when it comes to exporting earths and supplementary bonding etc etc there are so many different views i can never get my head to understand it all. Interesting reading all the views though!!
 
The technical definition is in it's title! Lol

It is not a protective bonding conductor because it is not protective, it is supplementary!

It is not there to equalise the potential between exposed and extraneous conductive parts in the event of a fault, it is there to supplement the main protective bonding in its duty of equalising the potential between parts.

Thats why Im intrigued as to my interpretation of BS7671 defining it as protective but you dont? Should the main bonding fail (e.g. the plumber has disconnected the one to the water pipe) then the 'supplementary' bonding provides the 'protection' that the main bonding would have? Or are you suggesting that because it called supplementary it is not at the same level as the main bonding and it wont provide the same protection?
 
Thats why Im intrigued as to my interpretation of BS7671 defining it as protective but you dont? Should the main bonding fail (e.g. the plumber has disconnected the one to the water pipe) then the 'supplementary' bonding provides the 'protection' that the main bonding would have? Or are you suggesting that because it called supplementary it is not at the same level as the main bonding and it wont provide the same protection?

BS7671 doesn't define a supplementary bonding conductor as protective, because it isn't! Lol

I think this is where the flaws in your understanding of its purpose stems from.

Should the main bonding fail then the main bonding fails! The supplementary bonding is not there to make up for a lack of main bonding, it is there to supplement it!

Argh! :D

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Thats why Im intrigued as to my interpretation of BS7671 defining it as protective but you dont? Should the main bonding fail (e.g. the plumber has disconnected the one to the water pipe) then the 'supplementary' bonding provides the 'protection' that the main bonding would have? Or are you suggesting that because it called supplementary it is not at the same level as the main bonding and it wont provide the same protection?

BS7671 doesn't define a supplementary bonding conductor as protective, because it isn't! Lol

I think this is where the flaws in your understanding of its purpose stems from.

Should the main bonding fail then the main bonding fails! The supplementary bonding is not there to make up for a lack of main bonding, it is there to supplement it!

Argh! :D
 
BS7671 doesn't define a supplementary bonding conductor as protective, because it isn't! Lol I think this is where the flaws in your understanding of its purpose stems from.

Ive tried to show you my logic from BS7671 as to why it is a protective conductor but your not giving me anything back to challenge this. Other than your own definition of supplementary?
 
Fascinating discussion chaps.

The problem (as I see it), is that the earlier editions of the regs state that Supplementary bonding must be fitted in a location containing a fixed bath or shower, no exclusions until the 17th (RCD/MPB/disconnection times met blah blah) were permitted.

The regs and methods of applying supplementary bonding even change within the same edition via various amendments, it seems even the IEE/IET could not agree amongst themselves the best way of doing it.

In one early edition/amd of the 16th all SB had to be connected back to the MET, then it was realised this didn't provide local equipotential bonding and so this practice was discontinued and the more common method of tying everything together was introduced.



I have the first 15th ed, and 16th ed amd 1 & 2 books here the 15th just says it (SB) should be applied, the 16th introduces zones and in the amd1 book the only exception is for Selv supplies, 16th amd 2 adds more information giving examples of what should be bonded.

It would suggest that no one is right or wrong here, as the installation may conform to one or other method of an earlier edition/amd which was correct at the time, so only attract a C3, the most sensible way forward would be to test as Geoff suggested, not ideal but unless you had every edition of the earlier regs to check.
 
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think i'll move my bath to the back yard. i'll need to sink a few rods and connect them to the feet of the bath. supplementary bonding connected to the caravan, car charger, and the barbed wire fence. the waste will be plastic, so the bonding will be attached with a lazzy band.
 
think i'll move my bath to the back yard. i'll need to sink a few rods and connect them to the feet of the bath. supplementary bonding connected to the caravan, car charger, and the barbed wire fence. the waste will be plastic, so the bonding will be attached with a lazzy band.

Sounds like a cunning plan but dont use a lazzy band incase you introduce any eddy currents as water flows down the pipe!
 

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