EICR Coding - Armour not glanded

[hightower]

Can't say for certain that it is armour except by previous reports saying it's armour - whether there's any truth in these previous EICRs is another matter, but I'm thinking C2 now to cover my backside. Okay, it may not be SWA, but at the moment all evidence leads me to believe it is.

 

[Risteard]

If you're unsure of cable type then you could use FI.

 

[Ian1981]

If you're unsure of cable type then you could use FI.

Of course it's still then an unsatisfactory outcome

 

[hightower]

Of course it's still then an unsatisfactory outcome

It would be anyway looking at the list on this thing, I just want to cover my backside with the whole thing and not leave any door open for comeback.

 

[Risteard]

Of course it's still then an unsatisfactory outcome

Yes indeed it is - as it should be if it's not known to be safe.

 

[Andy78]

Unquestionably a C2 - basic stuff really as you have an exposed conductive part which isn't earthed.

In this case it has been stated that there are no conductive parts of the SWA exposed to touch though. Only closer inspection with further dismantling could prove if they pose a hazard surely ?

 

[Risteard]

In this case it has been stated that there are no conductive parts of the SWA exposed to touch though. Only closer inspection with further dismantling could prove if they pose a hazard surely ?

SWA armouring is always considered to be an exposed conductive part.

 

[Andy78]

SWA armouring is always considered to be an exposed conductive part.

I understand that and agree where it is glanded properly.

 

[westward10]

If you feel it is swa from the cores you have the chances are it is, it is highly unlikely that it is not.

 

[Upton Sparks]

If you cannot verify the SWA is earthed and its inaccessible, C 2 all day long on a Sub main cable, its most likely being feed from a ryefield board of some sort on a 63 amp Fuse,
I kind of get the consumer unit end but at the Electrical cupboard, that's poor.

you also have know idea of the cable route it take's or how many other flats it could travel through buried within the wall possible not even in safe zones just to get to the flat it serves.

C2 and unsatisfactory . cover your self and hopefully get some work out of it.

Just out of curiosity why would you give a non RCD'd circuit covering a Twin and earth buried cable as a C3?
is this not potential dangerous ?

 

[telectrix]

C2 on my watch. better to be over cautious. you can be accused of making work for yourself with a C2, or appear in court if you give it a C3. i know which option I'd go for.

 

[telectrix]

Just out of curiosity why would you give a non RCD'd circuit covering a Twin and earth buried cable as a C3?
is this not potential dangerous ?

C3 because it complied at the time of installation. just non-compliant with current regs.

 

[hightower]

Just out of curiosity why would you give a non RCD'd circuit covering a Twin and earth buried cable as a C3?
is this not potential dangerous ?

Late to the party, but as Tel says - complied at the time but not now, but it's not particularly dangerous (as a socket that is liable to have a lawn mower plugged in to it with no RCD protection might be considered dangerous)

 

[davesparks]

Just out of curiosity why would you give a non RCD'd circuit covering a Twin and earth buried cable as a C3?
is this not potential dangerous ?

C3 because it complied at the time of installation. just non-compliant with current regs.

The eicr is based purely on current regulations, if something does not comply with current regulations and warrants a code then it gets that code irrespective of when it was installed.

A fused neutral was a requirement of the regulations once, but you don't let it pass today.
Bare conductors on porcelain cleats or in wooden casing complied once upon a time, but you also don't let that pass today.

 

[suffolkspark]

Was told to C3 cables <50mm in walls on an EICR on my EAL testing and inspecting course the other year, napit also give the same advise (although they seem to give a different answer to the same question depending who you talk to)