EICR - Help on my Request for Electrical Safety Alternatives and Quotes

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But if that extra cable only feeds one point then it is not a radial circuit but is a completely compliant spur from the ring.
So yes, it is questionable.

A radial circuit in its own right emanates from a consumer unit or power source, where as a spur is a branch off of an existing circuit

 

[DPG]

A radial circuit in its own right emanates from a consumer unit or power source, where as a spur is a branch off of an existing circuit

But a spur on a ring can be taken from any point on the ring, including at the MCB.

 

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But a spur on a ring can be taken from any point on the ring, including at the MCB.

Then in my opinion it's not a spur.
If it was taken from a point on the ring then it would be a spur.

Would disconnecting the ring from the mcb then make it a radial ?

 

[DPG]

Then in my opinion it's not a spur.
If it was taken from a point on the ring then it would be a spur.

Would disconnecting the ring from the mcb then make it a radial ?

It is just a part of the ring though - a spur as per the regs.

Yes if you removed the whole ring then it would become a radial with one point.

 

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It is just a part of the ring though - a spur as per the regs.

Yes if you removed the whole ring then it would become a radial with one point.

It's not part of the ring it has its own source.

 

[DPG]

It's not part of the ring it has its own source.

You need to look at Appendix 15 section A in the regs. It clearly states 'An unfused spur may be connected to the origin of the circuit in the distribution board'.

 

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You need to look at Appendix 15 section A in the regs. It clearly states 'An unfused spur may be connected to the origin of the circuit in the distribution board'.

It also says that a spur is : a branch from a ring or radial final circuit.

 

[DPG]

It also says that a spur is : a branch from a ring or radial final circuit.

Which it is, yes.

 

[davesparks]

Then in my opinion it's not a spur.

Great, but that is not what it says in the regulations or the supporting publications. An EICR should be carried out in accordance with the regulations, not the opinion of a faceless stranger on a forum.

 

[davesparks]

It's not part of the ring it has its own source.

No it doesn't, it all comes from the same source.

The ring and the spur are all connected to the same OCPD, therefore it is all the same circuit.

 

[davesparks]

It also says that a spur is : a branch from a ring or radial final circuit.

Yes and that branch can be connected anywhere in the circuit.

A spur can be connected to any part of a ring circuit, either at a point , a joint box in the cable or at the OCPD.

 

[Lucio de Godoy]

Hi All;

Thank you for your support, suggestions & comments.

The picture below is an extract of the new quote, which went from £1,680 (inc of VAT) to £480 (inc of VAT).

Any thoughts on the new quote pls?

Thanks

Lucio

 

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You need to look at Appendix 15 section A in the regs. It clearly states 'An unfused spur may be connected to the origin of the circuit in the distribution board'.

Appendix 15 is informative, not normative, and therefore does NOT form part of the Wiring Regulations.

Nobody is saying it can't be, my point is that when a (spur) is taken from the ring final's ocpd rather than from a point on that ring, it's more like a radial.

Apart from sharing the same ocpd it has no relation to the load of the ring.

If the ring was cut, would this then be 3 radials ? or 3 spurs ?

 

[buzzlightyear]

not the opinion of a faceless stranger on a forum

wow daveboy ,i nearly spat my dinner over the screen ,you are not calling him Mr invisible with long fingers typing away, i cant see you .

 

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Ring and radial together in the same mcb.
Shouldn't he have said ring and spur ???