EICR Limitations

[Breeze]

These are my EICR limitations please can I have your opinion of these and any suggestions of any additional ones
1. As a minimum, 30% of electrical accessories will be visually inspected unless prevented( I.e. Artex ceiling)

2. Zs values inputted will be calculated except socket circuits in order to minimise live working.

3. Loft spaces will not be accessed due the the risk of workin at height unless required to access electrical equipment.

4.DNO fuse I formation not obtained, after attempting to enquire.

5. Intruder alarm system wiring not tested.

6. Central heating wiring and controls not tested however cpc verified at each point.

7. Live to neutral insulation testing omitted in order to minimise risk of damaging equipment,

8. Where a gas cooker is installed within a property the cooker circuit will be tested to the point of insulation only if access to an outlet is prevented by the appliance. This is to eradicate the need to disturb any has appliance.

9. Where a circuit supplies integrate appliance test will be undertaken to the point of isolation only to minimise/ eradicate the risk of damaging equipment.

10. Where a manual handling risk is identified, (ie large kitchen appliance) testing will be undertaken at the point of isolation or where this is not possible will be omitted and listed as an operation limitation.

11. No pat testing of items with a 13amp plug top( note cooker etc should have a minimum of r2 continuity test.

12.on an off peak supply the Zs results will be calculated using the 24h supply Ze.

13. On a circuit with a storage heater the test will be carried out at the point of isolation and r2 continuity verified at the storage heater.

 

[walsh builders]

I think you are expected to access loft spaces now, or justify why you didn't

 

[Plonker 3]

These are my EICR limitations please can I have your opinion of these and any suggestions of any additional ones
1. As a minimum, 30% of electrical accessories will be visually inspected unless prevented( I.e. Artex ceiling) Why not 100%

2. Zs values inputted will be calculated except socket circuits in order to minimise live working. So you never carry out Zs testing on a new install?

3. Loft spaces will not be accessed due the the risk of workin at height unless required to access electrical equipment. Are you afraid of heights?

4.DNO fuse I formation not obtained, after attempting to enquire.

5. Intruder alarm system wiring not tested. Why not?

6. Central heating wiring and controls not tested however cpc verified at each point. Why not?

7. Live to neutral insulation testing omitted in order to minimise risk of damaging equipment,

8. Where a gas cooker is installed within a property the cooker circuit will be tested to the point of insulation only if access to an outlet is prevented by the appliance. This is to eradicate the need to disturb any has appliance.

9. Where a circuit supplies integrate appliance test will be undertaken to the point of isolation only to minimise/ eradicate the risk of damaging equipment.

10. Where a manual handling risk is identified, (ie large kitchen appliance) testing will be undertaken at the point of isolation or where this is not possible will be omitted and listed as an operation limitation.

11. No pat testing of items with a 13amp plug top( note cooker etc should have a minimum of r2 continuity test.

12.on an off peak supply the Zs results will be calculated using the 24h supply Ze. How can you be sure the Ze will be the same on the off peak board?

13. On a circuit with a storage heater the test will be carried out at the point of isolation and r2 continuity verified at the storage heater.

My questions in red

 

[Breeze]

I think you are expected to access loft spaces now, or justify why you didn't

Unless required to access electrical equipment I.e. P.v. Controls or any known equipment. We always open the loft hatch and have a look to ensure there isn't anything

 

[GB.Kayak]

These are my EICR limitations please can I have your opinion of these and any suggestions of any additional ones
1. As a minimum, 30% of electrical accessories will be visually inspected unless prevented( I.e. Artex ceiling)

2. Zs values inputted will be calculated except socket circuits in order to minimise live working.

3. Loft spaces will not be accessed due the the risk of workin at height unless required to access electrical equipment.

4.DNO fuse I formation not obtained, after attempting to enquire.

5. Intruder alarm system wiring not tested.

6. Central heating wiring and controls not tested however cpc verified at each point.

7. Live to neutral insulation testing omitted in order to minimise risk of damaging equipment,

8. Where a gas cooker is installed within a property the cooker circuit will be tested to the point of insulation only if access to an outlet is prevented by the appliance. This is to eradicate the need to disturb any has appliance.

9. Where a circuit supplies integrate appliance test will be undertaken to the point of isolation only to minimise/ eradicate the risk of damaging equipment.

10. Where a manual handling risk is identified, (ie large kitchen appliance) testing will be undertaken at the point of isolation or where this is not possible will be omitted and listed as an operation limitation.

11. No pat testing of items with a 13amp plug top( note cooker etc should have a minimum of r2 continuity test.

12.on an off peak supply the Zs results will be calculated using the 24h supply Ze.

13. On a circuit with a storage heater the test will be carried out at the point of isolation and r2 continuity verified at the storage heater.

B, should # 8 read ... 'point of isolation' rather than insulation?

 

[Deleted member 72666]

Sorry, but to me it sounds like one step up from a 'drive by' condition report!

 

[telectrix]

@ dilb. i think in item 5 he meant the elv alarm wiring which is beyond the scope of BS7671. was not made clear in OP though.

 

[Guest77]

My questions in red

Are you afraid of heights?

That nearly chocked me, I am still giggling now lol, fair play that was bloody hilarious.

 

[Breeze]

to dillb
1. We test at every point but in the case of sockets and light point we remove 30% of accessories.
2. Very clearly says EICR limitations as there shouldn't be a single limitation on a new install and the reg clearly state to live working should only be done when necessary.
3. Yes obviously very afraid of heights
5. We test to the spur only and ensure earth continuity to a metal aorta panel. But not we don't remove panel as not to open a can
of work with an old alarm which the tenant can't remember the code for.
6.we test to heating spur and cpc only from then on, this is company policy and they only allow gas engineer to touch gas appliance.
12. You can't guarentee but it is the same supply cable just maybe a different meter or even same meter if it's a new all electrical

Hope I've answer your questions dillb

 

[Pete999]

to dillb
1. We test at every point but in the case of sockets and light point we remove 30% of accessories.
2. Very clearly says EICR limitations as there shouldn't be a single limitation on a new install and the reg clearly state to live working should only be done when necessary.
3. Yes obviously very afraid of heights
5. We test to the spur only and ensure earth continuity to a metal aorta panel. But not we don't remove panel as not to open a can
of work with an old alarm which the tenant can't remember the code for.
6.we test to heating spur and cpc only from then on, this is company policy and they only allow gas engineer to touch gas appliance.
12. You can't guarentee but it is the same supply cable just maybe a different meter or even same meter if it's a new all electrical

Hope I've answer your questions dillb

I believe there is a difference between "live working" and "live testing" no excuses really for not doing Zs at items other than socket outlets.

 

[Deleted member 72666]

I believe there is a difference between "live working" and "live testing" no excuses really for not doing Zs at items other than socket outlets.

I've only just realised, how else is he going to do 4 in a day!

 

[Breeze]

I believe there is a difference between "live working" and "live testing" no excuses really for not doing Zs at items other than socket outlets.

You have to remember Pete health and safety have been heavily involved with everything and anything they can get there hands on, also the NICEIC have agreed these and are happy that the quality of the EICR is not compromised but that's for your concern and I will raise at my next team meeting

 

[Breeze]

I've only just realised, how else is he going to do 4 in a day!

Who is doing 4 in a day because it certainly isn't me

 

[Deleted member 72666]

Who is doing 4 in a day because it certainly isn't me

Sorry if that was 'over your head' but it was a dig at a previous thread. http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk/inspection-testing-certification-electrical-installations/101751-eicrs-how-long-should-take.html#post1096998

 

[davesparks]

One of the reasons we carry out a Zs test is to pass a higher current through the earth path as this will show up poor connections far better than the fraction of an amp used in the normal continuity test. This is why the no-trip loop test methods should be avoided wherever possible.