Eicr question

[rapidrich]

If a shower was fitted 15 years back and had no rcd what cat would it be on a eicr

 

[Octopus]

None. You are not testing to the 17th regs.

 

[DurhamSparky]

code 3 ...... improvement if no supp bonding in bathroom!

 

[rapidrich]

That's what I've all ways thought but a sparky has gone to do some wrk there and said it should be cat 2

 

[DurhamSparky]

i can see why he has done that!! as MOST showers stipulate protection by RCD...

end of the day the PIR is based on what you deem safe/unsafe.... nobodys decisions or suggestions should influence YOUR decision

 

[martinxxxxxx]

Well if there is no supp bonding and that was required to limit the different potentials of exposed metalwork then this is potentially dangerous so I would code it as a C2 unless there was an RCD fitted to all circuits in the bathroom and main bonding was present.
What you have to watch for here IMO is that while the electrical installation (fuseboard etc) maybe as they were when installed, most often the bathroom has had a make over -during which the supp bonding was not re-installed. In this case the person ordering the work has a choice re-instigate the supp bonding or upgrade board (and bonding).

From 4. Periodic inspection of existing domestic and similar installations : Electrical Safety CouncilQ4.4
What Classification Code should be given if it is found that there is no supplementary bonding in a bathroom having extraneous- or exposed-conductive-parts, and the conditions given in Regulation 701.415.2 for its omission are not met?
[FONT=&amp]Classification Code C2. Where the presence of supplementary bonding cannot be confirmed by inspection, it may be verified by a continuity test (< 0.05 ?)[/FONT]

 

[rapidrich]

My thoughts are its safe but not to current standards I.e not as safe as it could be

 

[martinxxxxxx]

Not according to the ESC Electrical Safety Council
From 4. Periodic inspection of existing domestic and similar installations : Electrical Safety CouncilQ4.4
What Classification Code should be given if it is found that there is no supplementary bonding in a bathroom having extraneous- or exposed-conductive-parts, and the conditions given in Regulation 701.415.2 for its omission are not met?
[FONT=&amp]Classification Code C2. Where the presence of supplementary bonding cannot be confirmed by inspection, it may be verified by a continuity test (< 0.05 ?)[/FONT]

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[martinxxxxxx]

That is the official guidance - if you do not follow it and someone is killed - you better have your PIA up to date

 

[Octopus]

Not according to the ESC Electrical Safety Council
From 4. Periodic inspection of existing domestic and similar installations : Electrical Safety CouncilQ4.4
What Classification Code should be given if it is found that there is no supplementary bonding in a bathroom having extraneous- or exposed-conductive-parts, and the conditions given in Regulation 701.415.2 for its omission are not met?
Classification Code C2. Where the presence of supplementary bonding cannot be confirmed by inspection, it may be verified by a continuity test (< 0.05 ?)

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The OP didn't mention supplementary bonding!!

 

[DurhamSparky]

i know... i just stated my opinion on the codes!

 

[martinxxxxxx]

But he is talking about Regulation 701.415.2 and this is conditional on whether the install meets the regs in force at the time - so it is pertinent that the Supp boning should be met - if it is then it is a C3 possibly if not it is certainly a C2 according to the advice from the esc

 

[Guest55]

None. You are not testing to the 17th regs.

what are you testing to ?
;-D

 

[rapidrich]

Bonding is fine my question was just regarding the rcd thanx

 

[martinxxxxxx]

If the bonding is fine then if it is is someone own home a C3 if it is a rented accommodation C2