eicr timescale any ideas ????

[martin mcguinness]

cheers lads im not looking to go to war with the landlord but i do have an issue with this company as i believe they are not providing the service to the landlord that they are paying for. as i am no longer gas regd (dont need my own as coverd at work with company now commercial) i had one of my mates look at the gas side and he had a ball unfortunately no heating tonight as he shut of gas supply to boiler but according to the trades person that was here on monday it was ok.
my concern is that the contractor my landlord is using is not doing the inspections correctly therfor may be leading to my landlord getting in to hot water.
also can somone explain how the pat testing was done on the following
1, chimney extractor as the plug is behind the chimney part and not accessible
2, gas hob ignition system (plug behind oven)
3, built under oven (plug behind oven) oven never removed
results were on paperwork and the pat testing was done by the gas engineer not the electrician (i know it doesnt have to be the spark that does the pat testing)

i am starting to think this company are part of the empire and are using the dark side of the force when doing these inspections i am not rotten enough to name and shame on this forum and i believe it would break the forum rules but as we all know there are some good some great and some fantastic tradesman out there but there are some poor and dangerous out there as well
thanks for the replys and support lads

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

It's rare I do any type of EICR on domestic but the company I work for do loads. I normally find it takes between 2.5 and 3.5 Hours for a standard 2/3 bedroom house including paperwork (All on iPad as we're going) if it's an older installation takes a little longer as there may be more deviations from the current regs which need typing up. 40 minutes is takin the pee though.

 

[bigspark17]

No that would be on site, do the Report off site and that timescale would be determined any information gained on site but it would be another hour max.

6 to 7 hours for six circuits three of which are single point radials and another smoke techs, four hours max including Report.

So your price for an eicr on this property is 4hrsx your hourly rate??

 

[westward10]

No we give a price up to x amount of circuits then a contingency for additional ways.

 

[Des 56]

An eicr on a house is to a certain extent an open book in determining the time it will take to complete
Your experience may give you an indication of how long but your experience will also tell you that you can be very wrong

Yes,there are many properties that can be done,not in 4 or 5 hours but in 2 or 3
a example being a housing association or council estate where the installations are repetitive,these however can throw a spanner in the works on occasion as far as time is concerned
I would never estimate any eicr as taking less than one full day for the very reasons I have stated,if it took me less time,its my good fortune,if it takes the full whack its still my good fortune

 

[JK-Electrical]

I do lots of EICRs for letting agents and landlords. On average, it would take me around 4 hours to complete the inspection and testing of the installation. I allow another hour to complete the portable appliance testing which in Scotland, is an appendix of the EICR. I can usually type the EICR and the PA test certificate within an hour, although the reports for properties where I have discovered multiple issues most often take a bit longer to compose. So, that's a total of 6 hours all in charged at my day rate.

 

[JK-Electrical]

also can somone explain how the pat testing was done on the following
1, chimney extractor as the plug is behind the chimney part and not accessible
2, gas hob ignition system (plug behind oven)
3, built under oven (plug behind oven) oven never removed
results were on paperwork and the pat testing was done by the gas engineer not the electrician (i know it doesnt have to be the spark that does the pat testing

Well, if all these appliances are inaccessible, then it would not have been possible to test them in which case the report has self-evidently been falsified.

I frequently come across the very same problem of inaccessible appliances. Fridge freezers, washing machines and dishwashers that are part of a fitted kitchen are impossible to test in situ unless you get lucky and discover that the socket supplying the appliance is located in an adjacent cupboard, as they sometimes are, but which are more often than not located directly behind the appliance.

Appliances that have been installed under tight-fitting worktops are often extremely difficult to manoeuvre, particularly when a tiled or laminated floor has been laid! In all such instances, I list the appliances on the test certificate that could not be tested because of their inaccessibility and advise the client that I will be happy to test if they hire a joiner to remove the inaccessible appliances from their housing! That way you're covered. Better to be honest.

 

[littlespark]

Ive done 2 or 3 EICR's in Scotland for rental properties, including a property I own myself. 3 hours on job is what it usually takes me. But longer if any repairs needed, or if i fit a Co2 alarm or anything. Add to this PAT testing on landlord supplied appliances, and you've got a day for one house

 

[polo1]

..... I allow another hour to complete the portable appliance testing which in Scotland, is an appendix of the EICR. QUOTE]

Interesting! Where does it state that appliance testing records form an Appendix of an EICR?

 

[martin mcguinness]

the pat testing isnt part on an eicr but pat testing on the landlords appliances has to be done
it was mentioned to show how this company operates

 

[bigspark17]

Well, if all these appliances are inaccessible, then it would not have been possible to test them in which case the report has self-evidently been falsified.

I frequently come across the very same problem of inaccessible appliances. Fridge freezers, washing machines and dishwashers that are part of a fitted kitchen are impossible to test in situ unless you get lucky and discover that the socket supplying the appliance is located in an adjacent cupboard, as they sometimes are, but which are more often than not located directly behind the appliance.

Appliances that have been installed under tight-fitting worktops are often extremely difficult to manoeuvre, particularly when a tiled or laminated floor has been laid! In all such instances, I list the appliances on the test certificate that could not be tested because of their inaccessibility and advise the client that I will be happy to test if they hire a joiner to remove the inaccessible appliances from their housing! That way you're covered. Better to be honest.

Could you not test the appliance at a sfcu @ worktop height?
Prime example why sockets should NOT be fitted in inaccessible arreas behind appliances.

 

[westward10]

Insulation test at the board, earth continuity between FCU and appliance, if available with a note the final means of connection could not be accessed.

 

[Octopus]

Could you not test the appliance at a sfcu @ worktop height?
Prime example why sockets should NOT be fitted in inaccessible arreas behind appliances.

A prime example of why BS 7671 should define accessible .....

 

[JK-Electrical]

Interesting! Where does it state that appliance testing records form an Appendix of an EICR?

Nowhere actually! I had A Freudian slip and used appendix as the descriptor when I was actually meaning accompaniment. I apologise for any confusion my error may have caused. To clarify, in Scotland, an EICR carried-out on a private let must be also be accompanied by a portable appliance test. The test certificate is to be attached to the EICR.

This is what I was referring to:

The EICR must be accompanied by a description of each appliance inspected, and its location in the house.

The code of practice also contains, in Appendix V, the following model forms for in-service inspection and testing:

V.1 Equipment register – where all portable appliances in a property are listed
V.2 Equipment formal visual and combined inspection and test record......

Copies of forms V.1 and V.2 should be attached to the EICR.

ANNEX D: Portable Appliance Testing Report ~ Scottish Government Statutory Guidance on Electrical Installations and Appliances in Private Rented Property.

 

[JK-Electrical]

Could you not test the appliance at a sfcu @ worktop height?
Prime example why sockets should NOT be fitted in inaccessible arreas behind appliances.

That is exactly what I would normally do if there is actually a fused connection unit present, but in several of the properties that I've tested, the inaccessible appliance is being supplied from a socket located directly behind the appliance. I wholeheartedly agree with you that sockets should not be fitted in inaccessible areas behind appliances.