EICR

[leep82]

Ive recently mentioned on another thread of mine that when it comes to completing EICR's my experience is limited. I have my testing and inspection qualifications but have generally only used them to verify new work that i myself have installed, all relatively easy. At the minute I am sub contracting to a local company and tomorrow have to go and carry out an EICR on a pub. I was just hoping for any advice that anybody might be able to give me. Having spoken to some of the guys who already do this sort of work for him i dont feel that i will be anywhere near there speed. This wouldnt normally worry me as i would much rather take my time and be thorough but any advice/tips that could save me time or help me out would be most welcome

 

[Pete999]

No. For an EICR, where you've already measured Zs, don't attempt to calculate R1+R2, there's no point. (It just implies that you've measured something which you haven't.)

Do you ever get the feeling you are banging your head against a concrete wall?

 

[leep82]

Right guys for those interested a little update. Really didnt enjoy today ! wasnt so much the testing, of which we only ended up having to do 20% of final circuits, but more so the filling in of the sheets. As previously mentioned my experience of EICR's is very limited. I had no issues finding the characteristics and then filling in the relevant continuation sheets. It was more the observations and then the never ending tick list. I dont know if ive missed things, given observations the wrong code, ticked items i shouldnt have etc etc. I suppose its all a learning curve, although i really feel ive been thrown in at the deep end

 

[Richard Burns]

I feel for you.
This is a normal EICR! but made more difficult by your experience level.
It does get easier, but not less mind numbing
If you read the endless tick boxes and get a feel for what you are checking then as you go round you can make rough notes of anything you think is odd, then when you come to the fun of form filing refer to your notes and see if there is an appropriate section of the inspections that that observation fits. If there is no inspection that fits but you are sure it is a non compliance or safety issue relating to BS7671 then you can look up the details in reference books and still include it as an observation (possibly with a regulation reference). I tend to add these on the schedule of test results for the affected circuit.
Once you have all your details in then you can go through the report and cross reference in the observations section all the identified safety items and code them appropriately.

 

[GMES]

@leep82 Take a look here, a great tick sheet guide by one of our members, It is a very useful guide and explains in simple terms what to tick and why.

http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk/posts/955821/

 

[leep82]

@leep82 Take a look here, a great tick sheet guide by one of our members, It is a very useful guide and explains in simple terms what to tick and why.

http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk/posts/955821/

Thanks for that

 

[leep82]

I must say that i think the company i am subbing to are expecting to much from me. They wanted the EICR done in a day and i just dont feel i have been as thorough as i would have liked to have been. The are 5 sub main DB's with varying amounts of final circuits supplied from them. A couple only had no more than six circuits and with only testing 20% these were relatively quick to get through. Two more were quite large 36 way boards that were nearly full. Testing 20% on each of these naturally took a little longer. I am also questioning myself as to whether or not i took enough accessories off to inspect.

 

[Des 56]

Leep82

A Napit boss came up with a time predictor for estimating how long and how much to charge

I think it was something like 40 mins per distribution board and 40 mins per circuit

Now lets do the very rough estimate
5 x sub boards = 200 mins = 3 hours ish
say 20 circuits per board on average,that is 100 circuits at 40 mins = 4000 mins or 66 hours ish

So your inspection would take 69 hours/or about 10 days in real money at the Napit rate

The moral here is do any inspections Napit sub out and jack in with that other lot

 

[robd]

I'd say you get a good feel for accessories once you've taken a few off, if there's anything amiss you'll pick up on it and take more off to check, if they look ok then fine.

A proper EICR should take as long as it takes really but if you work to a system you won't waste too much time. I always turn everything on to see what isolates where and on which circuit then work from there. If there are records from a previous test then great.

Just record what you find and you can't go wrong. It's like CSI electrics half the time, especially when the world and his brother have had a go at things and there are no records!

 

[freddo]

At the minute I am sub contracting to a local company and tomorrow have to go and carry out an EICR on a pub.

[QUOTE="leep82, post: 1251733, member: 47984"of which we only ended up having to do 20% of final circuits,[/QUOTE]

Does this company you are doing the work for have 3 letters for the first part of the name?

 

[leep82]

[QUOTE="leep82, post: 1251733, member: 47984"of which we only ended up having to do 20% of final circuits,

Does this company you are doing the work for have 3 letters for the first part of the name? [/QUOTE]
?

 

[leep82]

Does this company you are doing the work for have 3 letters for the first part of the name?

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Have i missed somthing?

 

[DPG]

Quote 'Quote'

 

[freddo]

oops I messed up the quotes, there was supposed to be 2 of them!

 

[Dave the spark]

Does this company you are doing the work for have 3 letters for the first part of the name?

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P... ?.. ?

 

[leep82]

oops I messed up the quotes, there was supposed to be 2 of them!

I was getting at what you meant by the company having three letters at the start of there name