elecsa v niceic

[welsh spark]

Hi, i used to be with nic and moved to elecsa not for only the price when i ring elecsa for anything their always helpfull and answer the phone unlike nic elecsa seem to be more for the contractor than just the customer i would recomend elecsa to anyone

 

[Spudnik]

As far as I am aware if a metal back box has one fixed lug (which most do) and if it is not a TNC-S system them the back box does not have to have a fly lead...

It does not matter what type of earthing system there is.

As you said, providing there is one fixed lug, there is no requirement to earth boxes, although it is good practice.

 

[matt456]

350 +vat?
the niceic is around 420 all in
cant see a massive saving there?

 

[adsday78]

Thanks for replies. I have been thinking about going with elecsa for some time and after reading forums it seems to be the right choice. I thought it was £450 plus Vat with an extra £200 if you want to do periodics.
I think the NIC is to expensive and you are paying more for a brand, at the end of the day all i want to do is work it costs enough as it is without feeling like you are forced into wearing the designer label of the electricians world. It cost enough to get qualifications I managed to pay £50 for my 2382 cos i found a college that would just let me sit the exam I couldn't find one for my 2391, which i ended up paying £550 for 3 days of doing past papers and a diluted version of guidance note 3. I could have done that at home as i did with my 17th.

Elecsa is £370 plus Vat if booked online. I thought the NIC one for £450 is for kitchen fitters and electricians need to be under the NIC approved contractor thingy majig which is definitely more than £450

 

[lewlec]

hi

£420 for approved contractor but they are now doing full day visits instead of half and are chrging an extra £290 for it. But the majority of sparks in my area are with nic.

 

[mandrake]

I'm just in the process of applying for elecsa registration, i intend to get the assessment done on my own house, Nic didn't seen to want to know unless you have been trading for 5 years and napit seemed (in my opinion) more geared for multi skilled trades (kitchen / bathroom fitters). all i can tell you so far is its £444 to apply, £280 for the assessment with some conditions (no more than 1/2 hour travel from your home etc) this gives you the ability to sign off any part p full scope works without going through the local building control. I'll keep you posted as i go through the process..... but i don't expect a 'Rapid Response' so don't hold yer breath :nonod:

 

[sparks72]

I'm just in the process of applying for elecsa registration, i intend to get the assessment done on my own house, Nic didn't seen to want to know unless you have been trading for 5 years and napit seemed (in my opinion) more geared for multi skilled trades (kitchen / bathroom fitters). all i can tell you so far is its £444 to apply, £280 for the assessment with some conditions (no more than 1/2 hour travel from your home etc) this gives you the ability to sign off any part p full scope works without going through the local building control. I'll keep you posted as i go through the process..... but i don't expect a 'Rapid Response' so don't hold yer breath :nonod:

Are you going down the Part Pee route?

Depending how deaperate you are I would hang fire as Part P is under government review as of next month.
What qualification do you have?, why not approach your LABC & see if they'll except your certificates. I know a few lads who are doing it theses days, saves them a small fortune.
Just a thought.

 

[mandrake]

Thankyou sparks72, i'll try the LABC see what they have to say, its the first time I've heard of this approach got to be worth a phonecall at least.

C&G 2382, 2391, Full scope level 'A' and Periodic inspection reporting all for 17th Edition

 

[sparks72]

Thankyou sparks72, i'll try the LABC see what they have to say, its the first time I've heard of this approach got to be worth a phonecall at least.

C&G 2382, 2391, Full scope level 'A' and Periodic inspection reporting all for 17th Edition

Your welcome.

I know 3 guys doing it this way. 2 of them since part pee came out.

good luck & let me know how you get on.

 

[Welchyboy]

i was with elecsa they are good but i got ****ed off with people keep asking me if i was NIC registered and then thinking i am incompetant when i said no, you can try and explain that elecsa and nic DI are basically the same thing but really the customer has allready made up their minds.

But then again some dont give a flying ---- as long as the light comes on when they press the switch.

So i changed to NIC DI.......

I am now in that stuation all over again where i am doing more and more commercial work and have had a few good installs/insurance PIRs etc come my way, then they say 'are you nic approved' and i say well no but i am a competent person and can issue you with a PIR, then they say 'but why have you got an NICEIC sign on your van then?'...........try explaining that one to joe public in one sentance.....oh well here we go again, looks like its more of my hard earned goin to the good ol' NIC, just so i can be considered competant and do a days work!

So it seems to me the bottom line is if you want to expand your business properly and want total freedom in the electrical contracting field to take on the work that comes your way (within reason), then you have to pay the NIC for it!

And i thought they were a charity organisation?!

 

[sparks72]

i was with elecsa they are good but i got ****ed off with people keep asking me if i was NIC registered and then thinking i am incompetant when i said no, you can try and explain that elecsa and nic DI are basically the same thing but really the customer has allready made up their minds.

But then again some dont give a flying ---- as long as the light comes on when they press the switch.

So i changed to NIC DI.......

I am now in that stuation all over again where i am doing more and more commercial work and have had a few good installs/insurance PIRs etc come my way, then they say 'are you nic approved' and i say well no but i am a competent person and can issue you with a PIR, then they say 'but why have you got an NICEIC sign on your van then?'...........try explaining that one to joe public in one sentance.....oh well here we go again, looks like its more of my hard earned goin to the good ol' NIC, just so i can be considered competant and do a days work!

So it seems to me the bottom line is if you want to expand your business properly and want total freedom in the electrical contracting field to take on the work that comes your way (within reason), then you have to pay the NIC for it!

And i thought they were a charity organisation?!

What qualifications do you have?

Some people get confused when they join the DI scheme, originally it was meant for kitchen & bathroom fitters but was extended to working Electricians.(apparentyl!)
The DI scheme doesn't make you an 'approved' contractor overnight.


IMO with the DI scheme your put in a catergory like a scond class citizen. (or in this case, a second class Electrician)
If you have your 2391 & 17th edition you can become an approved contractor. If you only have your 17th edition, you can only be on the DI scheme.

In a nutshell:

If you don't have all the qualifications an electrician should have, then you can't class yourself as an Electrician.

The NICEIC have clearly failed to point this out, another shambles of theirs!

 

[Welchyboy]

Yes i understand DI is not an approved contractor by any stretch, what i am trying to get at is the confusion that is all the various levels of competence schemes


i am qualified 2360,2391,2382 nvq3, JIB gold App elec and i am currently awaiting my asessment for A/C, but my point was, if your serious about being in this trade and are not content with staying in the domestic market, like it or not you really need the full NIC approved staus,its not just Part P you need, whereas years back you could just self cert commercial work i now find for most serious jobs A/C is nearly allways required and it will only get stricter as time goes on,
i can see it wont be long before a part P type model will stretch to most types of electrical works, and an unregistered spark will not be able to do much at all

 

[sparks72]

Yes i understand DI is not an approved contractor by any stretch, what i am trying to get at is the confusion that is all the various levels of competence schemes


i am qualified 2360,2391,2382 nvq3, JIB gold App elec and i am currently awaiting my asessment for A/C, but my point was, if your serious about being in this trade and are not content with staying in the domestic market, like it or not you really need the full NIC approved staus,its not just Part P you need, whereas years back you could just self cert commercial work i now find for most serious jobs A/C is nearly allways required and it will only get stricter as time goes on,

Might as well go approved then. you'll find companys want NICEC contractors because their insurance insist on them using NICEIC contractors.
Insurance!, another field the NICEIC is in, word has it that Zurich insurance is owned or part owned by the NICEC, a nice money spinner for them.

i can see it wont be long before a part P type model will stretch to most types of electrical works, and an unregistered spark will not be able to do much at all

No law whatsoever is going to stop unregistered Electricians from doing work. (unless the punishment is death by firing squad)

 

[alberthot]

Warning to all electricians. I might be telling you something you already know but DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TOUCH THE niceic. They are USELESS. any other body will be 10 times better han these people. If you want to learn the hard way (like I did) and join them, thats up to you but don't say I didn't warn you. This is a forum where you can get advice and this is the best advice I can give you.

 

[trev]

Warning to all electricians. I might be telling you something you already know but DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TOUCH THE niceic. They are USELESS. any other body will be 10 times better han these people. If you want to learn the hard way (like I did) and join them, thats up to you but don't say I didn't warn you. This is a forum where you can get advice and this is the best advice I can give you.

Well I've seen a few pro and anti NICEIC posts before but none quite so vehement. Why are they so bad in your considered opinion?