elecsa v niceic

[alberthot]

nobody up there knows what they are doing. Tech help is terrible. They seem to do everything they can to **** you off. They contradict themselves and others. they are argumentative. I could go on but no time. Hope this helps.

 

[mandrake]

Originally Posted by mandrake
Thankyou sparks72, i'll try the LABC see what they have to say, its the first time I've heard of this approach got to be worth a phonecall at least.

C&G 2382, 2391, Full scope level 'A' and Periodic inspection reporting all for 17th Edition
Your welcome.

I know 3 guys doing it this way. 2 of them since part pee came out.

good luck & let me know how you get on.

I tried to contact the LABC but i am at a major geographical disadvantage with this approach Chorley, Bolton & Wigan are all separate areas (for labc purposes) and i am located in Chorley area, right on the edge (literally 200 yards away) of Bolton and under 1/2 a mile from Wigan so i need all three labc's to accept me or seriously limit where i can work. Preston(Chorley) were clueless, Wigan assumed that i would 'get someone to sign it off for you' and Bolton were by far the most helpful but didn't know of any such scheme operating in the Manchester area so part Pee route with elecsa it is. booked for Nov 11th and a new 1st amendment 17th edition + toolbox guide needed too, ouch.
When i have 5 mins spare I'll type up the checklist they require for documentation, Complaint procedure and insurance cover etc

 

[pjay]

with regard to the governments review of part p looks like it will be a while yet until things change.

"Having reviewed the responses, MP Andrew Stunell, said: “For me this is just the start of the process - their contribution has informed my programme of work for the next year, and I want to work with them further to ensure building regulations are fit for the 21st century."

The programme of reform has also now been set out with the following actions:

• Set up Building Regulations Part P Technical Working Party
• Develop proposals for amending regulations and guidance
• Prepare formal Impact Assessment
• Publish consultation document – December 2011
• Conduct formal three month consultation
• Publish analysis of responses – July 2012
• Publish amended regulations and Approved Document – October 2012
• Bring new regulations and guidance into effect – April 2013"

 

[Spesh]

I'm in the process of going sole trader and have been weighing up the options of who to go with, all seems much of a muchness but as has been mentioned in this thread it seems that the nic seem to be the only joe public known one. I've had a good loom at napit though as a plumber friend and I may go down the property maintenance route and that would satisfy both sides. I've not looked at elecsa yet as their website appears to be broken and has been for a wee while :/

 

[Richard Burns]

Website has just been updated for Elecsa and the new site is now online.

 

[alberthot]

Elecsa is your best bet... Nic are useless at best. We are with Nic but will not be staying with them.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

so much discussion about TWO of six options!

I have been with NAPIT for 4 years, have been fine, I don't care who am with just needed to be legal for domestic work, as it turns out a new one has arrived (STROMA) and they are cheapest (250). I have requested a transfer.

I don't care about courses, tech lines, etc etc. They are all middle men actually providing absolutely NOTHING just creaming electricians' money off them.

Ouch!

 

[Spesh]

Just had a read around the stroma site.. Seems to tick the boxes to get me off the ground for sure. Decent price too.

 

[Welchyboy]

Elecsa is your best bet... Nic are useless at best. We are with Nic but will not be staying with them.

Have you really had so much trouble with nic? maybe ive been lucky, so far ,they have served me quite well, i dont buy into all their certs and stickers etc though, i use easy cert, as they take the P charging you for software and then again for serial numbers too!

you have to play them at their own game!

I used to be registered with elecsa and have found they are quite good and relaxed, their assessment is a total piece of p### though!

 

[nick182]

how do the assesment's differ from elecsa to Niceic? whats involved exactly?

 

[SPARTYKUS]

One you feel like you've been done a favour, the other you finish off feeling like you've done them a favour.

 

[MarkieSparkie]

One you feel like you've been done a favour, the other you finish off feeling like you've done them a favour.

Spot on mate, that is certainly how I felt, the NIC assessor was aloof and seemed to have a bad smell under his nose.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Never spoken to anyone that was at least polite at the Niceic. Except Tony Cable :29:

 

[Welchyboy]

i'm currently registered with elecsa under the part p scheme
i'm fully qualified,c&g electricians cert in '94,jib approved,17th ed,nvq3 (no 2391 though) blah blah
what's the best body between the two to be 'down' with
taking into account cost,support etc
what do you need to do to be an approved contractor (nic)rather than a domestic installer(nic) because you see all manner of people displaying a dom installer logo.
i'm fed up of having to explain to callers that elecsa is the same thing as niceic.
some people even ask for discounts because i'm not niceic!!!!

In reply to your original quote, i was with elecsa when part P started then switched to NIC D/I and now have recently upgraded to the NIC A/C scheme
, (which given your qualifications would not be a problem for you), i think that if you are a Professional electrician that can undertake all fields of installation work and wishes to grow his business then you should really be registered with an approved contractor scheme like NIC/Napit or ECA, as like you say every vans got an elecsa or NIC DI badge on it nowadays be they plumbers, kitchen fitters or whatever, it doesnt mean alot really.
The cost is not much more when you think about it and you wont get refused for any tenders/PIR's etc either. from a business point of view this would pay for itself every year im sure, and for me is a no-brainer!
Around 3 days after i done my A/C assessment i got a call from a builder asking me to quote for re-wiring 7x toilets and 2x kitchen areas in a local school that he was refurbing, if i hadnt upgraded from DI they would not of allowed me the job and since then i have won the PAT testing at a good price too!

But if your happy doing housebashing forever then go with elecsa!!

 

[SPARTYKUS]

In reply to your original quote, i was with elecsa when part P started then switched to NIC D/I and now have recently upgraded to the NIC A/C scheme
, (which given your qualifications would not be a problem for you), i think that if you are a Professional electrician that can undertake all fields of installation work and wishes to grow his business then you should really be registered with an approved contractor scheme like NIC/Napit or ECA, as like you say every vans got an elecsa or NIC DI badge on it nowadays be they plumbers, kitchen fitters or whatever, it doesnt mean alot really.
The cost is not much more when you think about it and you wont get refused for any tenders/PIR's etc either. from a business point of view this would pay for itself every year im sure, and for me is a no-brainer!
Around 3 days after i done my A/C assessment i got a call from a builder asking me to quote for re-wiring 7x toilets and 2x kitchen areas in a local school that he was refurbing, if i hadnt upgraded from DI they would not of allowed me the job and since then i have won the PAT testing at a good price too!

But if your happy doing housebashing forever then go with elecsa!!

Been with NAPIT 4 years and work in Police Custody suites, pubs, restaurants, offices, oh and the odd house !