Election Fever

[Octopus]

I don't like the labour party at this point in time. I do like the idea of coalitions which will keep the big 2 parties in check.
I also think MP's should be from the locality say stayed there for 20+years minimum and still reside there and of a certain age 40+ ?
I also think that Mp's should conduct their business from their constituency and "most" of the parliamentary stuff could be done over skype or the like. Secure voting online for members bills and the like. Save a bloody fortune.
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Defintely a fan of the coelition too.

Getting rid of all mps aged less than 40 and those who don't originate from their constituancies too sounds great - that should get rid of about 300 MP's

You get my vote!

 

[Guest77]

Not a fan of coalition

 

[Guest77]

Everyone loves a Tory

 

[BES]

So what's the betting then tory , labour , tory/lib, lab/lib , lab/lib/snp , tory/lib/ukip or that's all do it again in october.

 

[GB.Kayak]

Either you are too young to remember the Thatcher government or choose to ignore the policies and results of said policies. I suggest you do a little history research......It was the Tory government that started a culture of welfare dependency......They wanted everyone out of the coal mines/steel works ect and onto the sick....so they could massage the unemployment figures.
Not just that but the policy of "stuff industry" has created whole communities of hopelessly lost and unemployed....even unemployable (In their current state) people all over the country....but this tends to be worse north of Watford.
It matters not that this was all done in the 1980's.....nothing has been done by successive governments to fill the gap. They said we can't subsidise the coal/steel industry....but we are happy to subsidise people to languish at home on dole/sick money. They never saw what was obvious......humans need to be active or they tend to self destruct. Check the rise in drug use since the early 80's.
All of that said New Labour did not do anything about it when they were in power.....but lets not forget that they did not "start" this destruction.
Bedroom tax is to be scrapped under a labour government - that is a policy and if she does not know that then it is her that is clueless im afraid.

I don't like the labour party at this point in time. I do like the idea of coalitions which will keep the big 2 parties in check.
I also think MP's should be from the locality say stayed there for 20+years minimum and still reside there and of a certain age 40+ ?
I also think that Mp's should conduct their business from their constituency and "most" of the parliamentary stuff could be done over skype or the like. Secure voting online for members bills and the like. Save a bloody fortune.
I also think the whole country should be able "if they wish" to vote online. Also voting booths at universities and maybe even shopping centres.

I do remember the 'Thatcher' governments, though seen by the eyes of a child growing through my teenage years. I fail to understand why any government would want ... 'everyone out of the coal mines/steel works ect and onto the sick....so they could massage the unemployment figures.' What 'benefit' is there in re-election terms of increasing unemployment?

 

[Diddy]

I do remember the 'Thatcher' governments, though seen by the eyes of a child growing through my teenage years. I fail to understand why any government would want ... 'everyone out of the coal mines/steel works ect and onto the sick....so they could massage the unemployment figures.' What 'benefit' is there in re-election terms of increasing unemployment?

I didn't really write that bit too well. In my opinion (and that of many scholars far more clever than me) Mrs Thatcher and her government ( That she ruled to the enth degree....not like todays leaders lol) had an ideology in that in their eyes it was time to take on and destroy the unions. That fact backed up with her and her parties policy of "Let the market dictate" directly led to an end to both the coal and steel industry.
What they seem to have overlooked was that the countries producing these goods cheaper were subsidised lol.Also it slipped their minds that unless they could replace the jobs that were lost due to these very policies then the governments of then and even now would have to pay for these people (whole communities in many cases) to live.
Now as for onto the sick - well that was the "trick" that the government of the day (and right through to today) used to make it look as though they had "solved" the problem of unions/uncompetitive industry and also have low unemployment.......No bugger believed it BTW she won her 2nd term on the back of a contrived "war" and her third term against a fairly incompetent Kinnock and the sun newspaper.
I know her supporters will say "same old" but I really believe that 50%+ of the problems people of the UK face today were seeded way back in 1980 > .
Funny thing was the thing that led to her downfall was 1. Not her idea 2. She was ideally against it in the form it was drafted in and 3. The poll tax was/is inherently more fair than what came before it....You pay the local tax per person - which relates to the fact that 10 people in number 30 use more council services than 1 person in number 31.....If only they had thought of implementing a mansion tax at the same time.....

 

[Diddy]

So what's the betting then tory , labour , tory/lib, lab/lib , lab/lib/snp , tory/lib/ukip or that's all do it again in october.

Tory/Labour.....lol

 

[Dcf]

Labour haven't a the slightest chance of being elected ,as their usual safe seats in scotland will be lost
after last years referendum "performance"
Though the thought of another 5 years of the current lot is pretty unpalatable too........
is Lord sutch still about?
id vote for him

 

[Adam W]

I pointed to a house over the road and said how are you going to get the dopehead scroat off benefits and into work as he has an attitude that benefits are a way of life and not a helping hand to those in real need, noting as well it was under Labour that this systematic abuse of benefits was created.... she said she cannot comment on individual cases - i said OK any scum like him then in general ..... pause (No answer given)

I believe Labour prefer to call them "the poor".
Labour seem incapable of differentiating between those who work their backsides off on minimum wage, and 'dopehead scroats' who have no intention of working as long as they can get free handouts.

 

[Diddy]

Labour haven't a the slightest chance of being elected ,as their usual safe seats in scotland will be lost
after last years referendum "performance"
Though the thought of another 5 years of the current lot is pretty unpalatable too........
is Lord sutch still about?
id vote for him

Indeed - I live in North Lanarkshire and the feeling round here is very anti labour....No matter the consequences. I can't really speak for other areas...But here they have fallen out of love with Labour big style.....Not helped one bit by the local labour mp who is getting a bad time on the streets due to his own failings.....it really is laughable. He was quoted as telling a class off secondary school kids "Tell your parents to vote NO otherwise I will be out of a job"....Now under some circumstances that would have been funny but given that there was an anti "Jobs for the boys" feeling against labour in general it was actually bloody stupid and ignorant.

 

[Octopus]

My crystal ball sees a 2015 coelition between the Conservatives and the SNP..... then another election in October

 

[GB.Kayak]

I didn't really write that bit too well. In my opinion (and that of many scholars far more clever than me) Mrs Thatcher and her government ( That she ruled to the enth degree....not like todays leaders lol) had an ideology in that in their eyes it was time to take on and destroy the unions. That fact backed up with her and her parties policy of "Let the market dictate" directly led to an end to both the coal and steel industry.
What they seem to have overlooked was that the countries producing these goods cheaper were subsidised lol.Also it slipped their minds that unless they could replace the jobs that were lost due to these very policies then the governments of then and even now would have to pay for these people (whole communities in many cases) to live.
Now as for onto the sick - well that was the "trick" that the government of the day (and right through to today) used to make it look as though they had "solved" the problem of unions/uncompetitive industry and also have low unemployment.......No bugger believed it BTW she won her 2nd term on the back of a contrived "war" and her third term against a fairly incompetent Kinnock and the sun newspaper.
I know her supporters will say "same old" but I really believe that 50%+ of the problems people of the UK face today were seeded way back in 1980 > .
Funny thing was the thing that led to her downfall was 1. Not her idea 2. She was ideally against it in the form it was drafted in and 3. The poll tax was/is inherently more fair than what came before it....You pay the local tax per person - which relates to the fact that 10 people in number 30 use more council services than 1 person in number 31.....If only they had thought of implementing a mansion tax at the same time.....

Thank you for your redraft ... the other perspective is that it was the unions that made UK PLC uncompetitive ... but I have not researched the issue. I did watch an interesting film on YouTube the other day about Rolls Royce's preparations for building Merlin and later Griffon engines during WW II. It was refreshing to see the high level of cooperation between white and blue collar workers that delivered incredible productivity from initially 'un' or 'semi' skilled labour including a very significant intake of women. Highest quality training and cooperation appear to have been the hallmarks of success! Though I imagine the lack of a true market economy and all out blank check to achieve a high quality high performance product probably helped!

How was the Falklands conflict, war has to be declared and it was not, contrived? Governments preceding hers, and indeed her own, if I understand correctly had led the Argentines to believe, by their laissez faire approach to the Islands' sovereignty, that the UK was not interested. It suited Galtieri to unite Argentina around retaking islands that were then and still are a British protectorate. How would you respond if France invaded the Channel Islands?

 

[Octopus]

We should start a debate on the Labour successes from 1974 to 1979..........

 

[Diddy]

We should start a debate on the Labour successes from 1974 to 1979..........

No debate needed they and the unions buggered things up big style. There was a bit of a recession going on though. The whole of Europe was in trouble. The unions were running the country and THEY brought down the labour governments. It has/had a lot more to do with world economics rather than much that labour or conservative did in the 70's as a whole.

 

[Octopus]

No debate needed they and the unions buggered things up big style. There was a bit of a recession going on though. The whole of Europe was in trouble. The unions were running the country and THEY brought down the labour governments. It has/had a lot more to do with world economics rather than much that labour or conservative did in the 70's as a whole.

So endless stikes in car factories in the UK, was a world economic factor?
So endless Civil Servants strikes, ditto above
So endless garbage collection stikes, ditto above?

I could go on....