Electric car chargers

[pirate]

Just wondered if anyone has seen the advert for the new Fiat 500E...
If you read the small print at the bottom it says you can charge it enough in a few minutes to do 30 miles, using an 84kw charger...probably not a domestic installation then...
However, on a 13A plug it only takes 19 hours to charge...
There's a few questions in my mind about this, but please say what you think.

 

[nicebutdim]

I guess if you found yourself low on charge, and could locate a suitable charger, you wouldn't have to wait several hours to gain enough charge for the journey home.

 

[OnlQQker]

It's all got to be a wind up.

84kw chargers? I guess you're ok if you have a 100 amp fuse on the incomer and wire it straight up to the tails (before the meter ?).






Whole new world coming!

 

[telectrix]

check out the Hyundai ad. quick part charge for XX miles on a 350kW charger

 

[Intoelectrics]

I just don't see how electric vehicles for the general masses will ever be possible. It would be interesting to see the cars in my mothers terraced street all trying to plug in for charging ?

 

[telectrix]

coulcil were ahead of the times. they installed lamp posts. quick tap in with a couple of croc clips.

 

[snowhead]

The high rate chargers will be at motorway services / supermarkets / car parks and other easilly accessible locations.
Of course the rate per kw will be far higher than at home.
I'm not sure if there are any restrictions on reselling energy applied to car charging similar to those within domestic properties.

 

[telectrix]

solution is to put EV chargers on a separate tarrif, 10 x normal rate. then that offsets the buggers ' free road tax. electric cars wear the roads as much as we do. they should pay their share.

 

[snowhead]

I just don't see how electric vehicles for the general masses will ever be possible. It would be interesting to see the cars in my mothers terraced street all trying to plug in for charging ?

I think I've got a solution for that;

Every E.V should have a socket and a trailing lead on the front and rear.
When you want to charge your E.V and there's no charging point you plug into the nearest E.V.
To stop that one going flat you plug it into the next one and keep daisy chaining untill you get to a charging point, then plug the last one into that.

Can't see any problem with it so far....

 

[DPG]

I just don't see how electric vehicles for the general masses will ever be possible. It would be interesting to see the cars in my mothers terraced street all trying to plug in for charging ?

But in that case you would charge up at a filling station or a supermarket, just like you do when you fill up your car with petrol currently.

 

[UNG]

check out the Hyundai ad. quick part charge for XX miles on a 350kW charger

I remember when they showed the first 350Kw chargers on a news program, I looked up the supply requirements ISTR they only!!!! need a 263A three phase supply but you have to add another 40A for the chiller for cooling the cable

The high rate chargers will be at motorway services / supermarkets / car parks and other easilly accessible locations.
Of course the rate per kw will be far higher than at home.
I'm not sure if there are any restrictions on reselling energy applied to car charging similar to those within domestic properties.

Called into a motorway service station a couple of weeks ago and walked past the EV chargers all with a sign attached saying they were not working but the northbound EV chargers were. I wonder how often that will happen when we are all forced into EV's

 

[Zerax]

I just don't see how electric vehicles for the general masses will ever be possible. It would be interesting to see the cars in my mothers terraced street all trying to plug in for charging ?

They already are possible ! (if you have the money)... although the other day I read that EVs will be the same price as ICE ones in the next couple of years.

I'm led to believe that the average car is driven about 30 miles per day... so not everyone will need to charge for 8 hrs every night. Many will be able to charge say once a week, maybe when they are at the supermarket say.

For people that need to drive a few hundred miles each and every day (maybe 3% of all drivers ?)... it becomes a little trickier, but we're getting more and more charging options installed all the time. Some cities already have charging points in lamp-posts... so terraced streets like your mothers may have these installed at some point ?

I think a bigger issue is that the general public will need to develop a way of being considerate to others, so that charging locations are not clogged up with ICEs or EVs that have finished charging. Sadly, things like 'common sense', 'consideration for others', 'due respect' etc. were largely banned over 20 years ago... and now very hard to get back.

 

[brianmoooore]

I've had three electric cars here for the last week, all taking turns to use my single 32A charge point.

 

[UNG]

They already are possible ! (if you have the money)... although the other day I read that EVs will be the same price as ICE ones in the next couple of years.

The biggest part of an EV is it's battery and given they are already talking about the shortage of the minerals to manufacture these it remains to be seen if this will keep the cost at a higher level

I'm led to believe that the average car is driven about 30 miles per day... so not everyone will need to charge for 8 hrs every night. Many will be able to charge say once a week, maybe when they are at the supermarket say.

How long do these people spend in a single supermarket to charge their car up

For people that need to drive a few hundred miles each and every day (maybe 3% of all drivers ?)... it becomes a little trickier, but we're getting more and more charging options installed all the time. Some cities already have charging points in lamp-posts... so terraced streets like your mothers may have these installed at some point ?

If I had to travel a few hundred miles every day I think I would ditch the job charging an EV on the go requires patience and a like for loitering of which I have neither. I'm someone who will do 200 - 250 miles in one hit do the job and do the 200 - 250 miles back without refueling and with minimal stress with an EV add into that finding chargers that may already being used or as mentioned earlier out of service would not be good

I know a lot of people who would consider an EV but would want a second ICE vehicle as well

I think a bigger issue is that the general public will need to develop a way of being considerate to others have their day disrupted returning to their vehicle to move it from the charer, so that charging locations are not clogged up with ICEs or EVs that have finished charging. Sadly, things like 'common sense', 'consideration for others', 'due respect' etc. were largely banned over 20 years ago... and now very hard to get back.

Fixed a bit of that

The only solution to EV charging and make EV's more usable is to have filling station style charging stations with a charge time of 5 - 10 minutes.
When you look at a petrol / diesel filling station what is their volume of sales / vehicle count every 10 minutes and what would the equivalent EV charge station need to meet that same demand,
I can see a need for a lot of large new substations over the next few years to feed these charging stations as the current LV network has certainly not got the resilience to feed the expanding EV charging market and home charging, in the area around where I live most of the underground LV network is 16 or 25mm 4 core so well undersized to deliver enough for everyone to charge at home

I think the lack of common sense is actually what is blindly driving the change to EV's, let's face it to some the electricity supply "just keeps giving doesn't it"

 

[pc1966]

I think I've got a solution for that;

Every E.V should have a socket and a trailing lead on the front and rear.
When you want to charge your E.V and there's no charging point you plug into the nearest E.V.
To stop that one going flat you plug it into the next one and keep daisy chaining untill you get to a charging point, then plug the last one into that.

Can't see any problem with it so far....

I can, how do you make sure the Ring For Charging is closed? C2 surely?